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Holier than Thou "hunters"....

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Rant time...

Okay, so Cecil the lion is dead. The most famous lion in the world, loved, literally, by absolutely everyone in every country in the universe (except me, who had never heard of him, and none of my friends had ever heard of him, and from reading the news, most people in Zimbabwe had never heard of him...).

WHAT is with all these "hunters" saying things like "I'm a hunter, but only for food, and think trophy hunters are horrible, unethical trolls.." ??? Ok, so you are a "good" hunter? and anyone who doesn't hunt exactly like you is a "bad" hunter? What about bow hunters? Are they bad? Maybe they should be banned because using an arrow is unethical? Oh, and what about someone who hunts from a blind or a tree stand? Maybe all hunters should have to hike through the woods all the time? Maybe single shot rifles should be banned? You don't have the follow up shot you might need for an "ethical" kill... and what is with these horrible "black powder" idiots? What, do they think it's the 1700s? They should be banned.

"Trophy Hunters" ARE hunters, like it or not. Banning a legal form of hunting, which from what I've read does help certain wildlife populations, will lead inexorably to calls for banning ALL hunting. I'm tired of reading all these comments on articles from the "good" hunters disparaging "bad" hunters - just because they don't hunt like they do.

"Hunters" bad mouthing other hunters in public forums will not help anything! If rules and regulations need to be changed, then lets figure it out. But jeezus criminy, don't give the anti's more ammo!!

Reminds me of the gun debate, where you get the guys saying limited ammo shotguns and rifles are okay, but AR-type guns should be banned...
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Just got back from directing traffic at an accident at a highway exit in the hot, humid midday sun with drivers getting mad at me, so I need to cool down.

Good thing I don't carry a gun doing that!
 

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I don't think trophy hunting makes you a bad person. Lots of trophy hunting takes place legally, in places where the populations of non-endangered species can easily sustain it.

But if you knowingly go to a place right up against the outskirts of a park where endangered animals are legally protected, selectively target one specific animal because of the black mane that you know makes it an especially rare protected animal, (and they did - that's why they wanted him) then drag meat behind a jeep to lure that specific animal out of that park, then shoot him as soon as he's on the other side of the railroad tracks........... How again is that not illegal and unethical? The deliberate plan to break the law is pretty obvious.

For that matter, how is it even hunting in the normal sense? Whenever I went hunting I accepted the fact that I might not get anything, and I didn't cheat or break the law to make the hunt successful. I came home with nothing but unfired ammo!

I know that some guys go to places where animals that were purchased by the host, are put in fenced-in areas where you pay to more or less chase it into the corner and shoot it. But to me, that would never be a fun way to hunt. That would be like trying to take pride in myself for winning a game, when I know I cheated. No way!!

To me hunting is about winning the "hunt" part fair and square. Killing something by any possible means, legal & ethical or not, isn't the point. But for some guys it is, and I'm not a fan of that.
 

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Lion Murderer Walt Palmer Has Done More For Conservation Than You Have

Lion murderer Walt Palmer is an a-hole. But, he’s also an a-hole who’s contributed more money to animal conservation in Africa than pretty much anyone else. In fact, trophy hunters like him are a large part of the reason we still have animals like lions at all.

Hunting is one of those things that, if you don’t do it, probably flies in the face of your carefully curated 21st century morals. Everyone likes animals, so killing them is wrong, right? The fact is that there’s far more nuance to the argument than that.
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They could always ban lion hunting...they tried that in Botswana.

[video=youtube;GiyQvm9d4tM]

Sorry, trophy hunting is vital to the preservation of African wildlife.
Ironic, ain't it? :cool:


Ain't my thing, but it is saving habitat and wildlife.
 

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WHAT is with all these "hunters" saying things like "I'm a hunter, but only for food, and think trophy hunters are horrible, unethical trolls.." ???
A lot of the "hunters" with somewhat anti-hunting messages, on the internet, are the same as those "lifelong gun owners" who put down the NRA - they aren't really hunters or gun owners, they just use that as an angle to give their fake internet BS some "credibility."
 

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They could always ban lion hunting...they tried that in Botswana.

[video=youtube;GiyQvm9d4tM]

Sorry, trophy hunting is vital to the preservation of African wildlife.
Ironic, ain't it? :cool:


Ain't my thing, but it is saving habitat and wildlife.
That is quite an interesting video.
 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/o...-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=1
In Zimbabwe, We Don’t Cry for Lions
Winston-Salem, N.C. — MY mind was absorbed by the biochemistry of gene editing when the text messages and Facebook posts distracted me.

So sorry about Cecil.

Did Cecil live near your place in Zimbabwe?

Cecil who? I wondered. When I turned on the news and discovered that the messages were about a lion killed by an American dentist, the village boy inside me instinctively cheered: One lion fewer to menace families like mine.

My excitement was doused when I realized that the lion killer was being painted as the villain. I faced the starkest cultural contradiction I’d experienced during my five years studying in the United States.

Did all those Americans signing petitions understand that lions actually kill people? That all the talk about Cecil being “beloved” or a “local favorite” was media hype? Did Jimmy Kimmel choke up because Cecil was murdered or because he confused him with Simba from “The Lion King”?

In my village in Zimbabwe, surrounded by wildlife conservation areas, no lion has ever been beloved, or granted an affectionate nickname. They are objects of terror.

When I was 9 years old, a solitary lion prowled villages near my home. After it killed a few chickens, some goats and finally a cow, we were warned to walk to school in groups and stop playing outside. My sisters no longer went alone to the river to collect water or wash dishes; my mother waited for my father and older brothers, armed with machetes, axes and spears, to escort her into the bush to collect firewood.

A week later, my mother gathered me with nine of my siblings to explain that her uncle had been attacked but escaped with nothing more than an injured leg. The lion sucked the life out of the village: No one socialized by fires at night; no one dared stroll over to a neighbor’s homestead.

When the lion was finally killed, no one cared whether its murderer was a local person or a white trophy hunter, whether it was poached or killed legally. We danced and sang about the vanquishing of the fearsome beast and our escape from serious harm.

Recently, a 14-year-old boy in a village not far from mine wasn’t so lucky. Sleeping in his family’s fields, as villagers do to protect crops from the hippos, buffalo and elephants that trample them, he was mauled by a lion and died.

The killing of Cecil hasn’t garnered much more sympathy from urban Zimbabweans, although they live with no such danger. Few have ever seen a lion, since game drives are a luxury residents of a country with an average monthly income below $150 cannot afford.
 
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