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Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by hoghunter82, Dec 2, 2011.

  1. hoghunter82

    hoghunter82 FL Glocker #182

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    Total HK newbie here. In my search for a P7 I wandered upon the P30. What a nice feeling pistol. I need some education here. I don't like thumb safety so handled the decocker version. I had heard about a LEM trigger and the LGS had a P2000sk? with that trigger in the range case. The LGS clerk had no idea about the triggers and neither do I. But I really like that trigger/hammer style of the one he said was a LEM. The pull was smooth and consistent with no thumb safety and no decocker. I have not done any research so don't flame me for asking questions before doing my own work. My questions: Does the P30 come with that trigger set up? I see so many v1, v2, etc tags on the HKs I can't tell what I am looking at and the LGS is no help either. Hard to shop/search online when you don't have a clue. What P30 version am I looking for? Anything i need to be aware of good/bad on these P30 or LEM trigger?Thanks in advance.


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  2. legallyarmed

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  3. thumbbreak

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    I have a P30 with a standard DA/SA trigger (with the decocker in the rear next to the hammer) and (IMO) it is 10X better than the previous USP or p2000 triggers. They do have a LEM version and I have a buddy that swears by his. I personally love the HK as my carry weapon and I'm partial to the SIG/S&W revolver-type DA trigger pulls on the first round. Thereafter, I have trained consistently with the single action reset followup up so that's my preference. If you want a more revolver feel, the LEM is close but the second shot on is lighter that the first trigger pull with a shorter reset, so, its not the same as a revolver.

    The question I would ask is, "Why do you feel like you need the LEM or DA-only system vs. the DA/SA-type setup?" That might get you closer to a setup that will fit you.
     
  4. madAB

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    P30 does come with the LEM trigger. I have a P30 V2 which is the LEM trigger 8 lb. It also comes in a V1 which is the LEM trigger 5 lb. I believe.

    P.S. I really like the LEM trigger and I'm not a traditional DOA kind of guy.
     
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  5. hoghunter82

    hoghunter82 FL Glocker #182

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    To answer above, I have never been a huge fan of the hammer system and hard first pull. The LEM seemed to give me more of a striker fired feel but in a HK. So the V determines the poundage on the LEM?
    EDIT: I was finally able to access HKs website so it explains the V.
     
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  6. Tiro Fijo

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    Save your money & buy the new Walther PPQ. Same if not better ergonomics, no funky rear decocker, and a trigger pull that H&K can only dream of. :wavey:
     
  7. H&K 4 LIFE

    H&K 4 LIFE Leonum A Ignis

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    The LEM (Law Enforcement Modification) is best described as a DAO trigger with a short reset.

    The P30 is mostly found in V3 (DA/SA with rear frame mounted decocker). However, they are also availible in LEM variants, which the most common of which is the V2 (approx. 7.5lb breakage weight). Going to V1 can be achieved by swapping a few springs which will lower the trigger breakage weight to around 4.5lbs.

    Having owned an LEM pistol for sometime now (P2000SK V2) I can tell you there is a certain learning curve associated with the trigger. It would really be best to try before you buy if at all possible.

    I fired the P30 in V3 a bit today and as usual was impressed with the excellent ergos, minimal felt-recoil, and precision accuracy of the platform. I was able to hit 10" swinging steel plates at 25 yards provided I did my part.

    Trust in the fact that HK does not produce poorly made products. :)
     
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  8. cowboy1964

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    And more felt recoil/muzzle flip than a Glock.

    My P30 has no decocker.

    I do have to say the PPQ feels just as good as the P30, which is really saying something. It's a hair smaller and lighter for carry too. I'm just really turned off by the reports of it having so much recoil. HKs excel at reducing recoil
     
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  9. Feanor

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    Yes it comes in the LEM variant! I would strongly caution you to first rent a P30(9mm I'm assuming)and shoot a minimum of 250 rounds through it before dropping in excess of $800.00 on one. Their ergonomics are very hostile to the majority of shooters.

    Things you will need to be prepared for include; a meaningless groove intergrated directly into the trigger guard that is quite capable of causing pinch, and even drawing blood with extended range sessions! Ambi slide release levers that are at a minimum, one half inch to long and will very likely interfere with your natural gripping position(you'll have to modify your technique and the position of your offhand thumb)! Further, on the right hand side the portion of the frame that houses the ambi release, its overbig, resulting in a bulging protuberance right about where 80% are taught to ride their trigger finger when off target!

    There remain other issues, but the biggest one is the positioning of the decocker button at the exact rear of the slide/frame. If you're left handed it will be all but impossible for you to engage, this is because the hammer profile is straight/flat and long when cocked, it will perfectly block the left handed shooters thumb without first modifying your grip! For right handed shooters the problem is that your thumb will almost always contact the hammer as you move to decock the pistol! All this contributes to an eccentricity of balance, an almost hostile interface with the hands of a very significant percentage of shooters.

    You mention your interest is in the LEM variant, good, as thats about the only version I'd ever seriously consider for myself, keeping in mind that it will still have the trigger guard groove & the way to long slide release levers. There are a few companies that will remove(sand down)that groove for you, Bowie comes to mind, however you're stuck with the slide release levers no matter what.

    If you're in the small subset that isn't bothered by the above, then they are pretty decent pistols, well made, with multiple grip insert options to make it conform to your hand, with the LEM variant the trigger can be had in either 4.5lb, or 8lb pulls. The conventional triggers are in my opinion, crap, especially considering the enormously inflated price tag.

    You should know that HK is very likely to release a significantly upgraded version of this pistol, at least thats what they(HK)have led me to believe.
     
  10. WoodenPlank

    WoodenPlank Who?

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    HK Pro really is the best resource for anything HK.

    I have a P30 in my future, but I specifically want the P30S in 9mm. Carry it cocked and locked, and the first DA trigger pull is no longer an issue. That's the same way I carried my USP9 before I sold it. I really wish I still had that pistol.
     
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    Contrary to some of the above opinions, the variant 3 DA/SA is a very viable option, and has -to me- a much shorter learning curve. The light LEM still has that long first pull that takes much getting use to, and I am well aware that many top professionals prefer it. I have many Glocks in several calibers, and like them all, and will always have them. But the P30's I have in both 9mm and 40cal are fantastic guns with great ergonomics and reliability. My accuracy with a handgun increased dramatically with them, and I have shot for years. The grips can be customized to such a degree that it will fit most any hand. I have had 9mm guns by Glock, S&W, Sig Sauer, and a few others, and to me the P30 is the finest 9mm currently out there. I still love my Glock 9's, and carry them often.
     
  12. Feanor

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    The P30S is an ergonomic catstrophe, you should shoot one extensively before taking the plunge on one. Take a good look at the positioning of the cocked hammer, keeping in mind that the decock button is directly opposite it on the left side of the slide!

    I'm not talking of holding one in your hand, go rent one and shoot it extensively. If you're still enamored of it after 200-300 rounds in an hours time, then by all means buy one.
     
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    I can assure you, as a left handed shooter AND a guy the practices and carries this gun regularly, I have never had an issue with the ability to decock, inadvertent slide release, slide catch on the final round, or AD with this weapon system. Everyone has there opinions but you are a little over the top with the positioning of your statements...

    I'm just saying...
     
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  15. Feanor

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    Well, great! But you are in a very definite minority, as I have indicated, a small subset of shooter's appear to be unfazed by these specific design issues. Nonetheless, you are but a singular experience, for whatever reason your physical interface to the pistol works well for you, for many it simply does not.

    To truthfully inform the OP is hardly what can be classified as "over the top" of me. Frankly, that you would say so is somewhat childish of you, it's almost as though you're taking the truth to be an attack on yourself in some fashion, it's not!
     
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    hoghunter82 FL Glocker #182

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    No worries, guys. I value all opinions on the forum (positive & negative). It is up to me to decide which fits my specific issues. i appreciate both sides of the conversation. Maybe I should just get a P7 and forget about it !!!!
     
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    You're not in the minority. I also shoot the P30 left handed extensively. Being left-handed is one reason why I shoot HKs.
     
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    It's your opinion. I'm not offended, I'm simply conveying my experience without representing "everyone". But, you obviously know more than I, so, I will defer to your superior intellect and personal experience. Please excuse my incursion into your world...
     
  19. Feanor

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    How do you know that you're not in the minority? Why is HK redesigning the mechanism in question? Why do you feel this to be an issue of right or wrong? ;)
     
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    12131 Monkeyboy CLM

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    Since you're claiming folks disagreeing with you on the P30's "ergonomic disaster" are in the minority, please provide some hard data. I mean real data, not some convoluted argument.