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Discussion in 'Heckler & Koch Forum' started by Deputydave, May 29, 2020.
Yes, these are 'post ban' mags (1994-2004), never heard of them?
Sure. I've heard of steam engines, too. Why do you still have 10-round mags?
I guess I am a bit of a Luddite.
If I buy a third mag, it will be a 12 rounder, but I'm not in any hurry.
I don’t know about you guys, but I have had a hard time finding HK manufacture 12 rd mags for the USP, for quite some time?*
*though I haven’t checked my usual sources in the past week or so.
In stock at HKparts.net, $65-$70.
About half that for 'USA made' magazines.
Ouch! Yeah, I wouldn’t be in a hurry either for two extra rounds.
... and now I remember why I have a preference for glocks
True, the price of magazines has always been in favor of Glock. But it's possible, in normal times, to find very good deals on Sig and HK mags.
Wrong. The HK45 is also rated for +P+ ammo and is at least as robust as the USP 45.
I picked the HK45 over the USP45 after shooting both. They both are extremely robust pistols but due to the grip shape of the HK45 and the way it fit my hand I was able to shoot the HK45 much better.
Todd Greens 50,000 round endurance test of the HK45.
The HK45 fired its first 31,522 rounds without a bobble of any kind, another pistol-training.com endurance test record. But the mere fact that it out-performed those other pistols tells only part of the story. I do not believe another .45 pistol could fire that many rounds, in that short a time, with that little maintenance, and survive. Anonymous internet chest-thumpers notwithstanding, fifty thousand rounds of full power 230gr ammo through a .45 pistol in eight months is staggering.....
From the HK45 manual.
https://www.eurooptic.com/PDF/HK45 Operators Manual.pdf
NOTE: Currently there are no known .45 ACP ammunition types that are not compatible with the HK45 pistols with the exception of some light, match grade wadcutter loads that provide insufficient recoil impulse to reliably operate the HK45. All HK45 pistols are approved for use with +P and +P+ ammunition. The use of +P and +P+ ammunition does accelerate wear and reduce the service life on the component parts of any pistol including the HK45.
HK45 Interview with Ken Hackathorn and Larry Vickers
As the HK45 Endurance Test started to wind down, pistol-training.com was fortunate to have two firearms industry legends — Ken Hackathorn and Larry Vickers — agree to discuss their involvement in the HK45’s history. As HK itself described it in a recent press release:
[Larry] Vickers and Ken Hackathorn were both intimately involved in the design of the HK45 as consultants and much of the improved ergonomics of the pistol is due to their recommendations.
So that’s the short version. What is the full story? Read on....
Guess I don't recall correctly.
I hear you. Most of us read lots of manuals LOL.
Good information, appreciate the links. Making me want one even more
Not even close. Not that the HK45 isn't robust, but the USPs are overbuilt. The HK45 is just built.
What do you think the USP 45 will do that the HK45 won't?
The USP does a better job of handling recoil.
The USP is better looking.
HK45 has the edge in ergonomics.
A horse apeice.
Nothing, really, from a practical standpoint. It will just do it longer.
Of course, ever hear of a HK45 in .460 Rowland? Me neither.
Bullsh*t. Ken Hackathorn and Larry Vickers don't agree either.
I haven't seen where they claim the HK45 is as or more robust than the USP45. They claim the HK45 is a good pistol, which it is. But it lacks the Recoil Reduction System and the general beefiness of the frame.
Federal pushed one of their proof-round USPs for over 297k rounds before sending it back for refurb.
And back in the 90s, HK was actually looking at approving the USP for .45 Super, firing at least 6k rounds without incident.
I'm not poo-pooing the HK45. It's a solid pistol. But it's not a USP. Like I said, there's no such thing as a HK45 in .460 Rowland, and it's for a reason.
My point was the HK45 is at least as reliable/durable as the USP 45 and according to Vickers and Hackathorn it is. I have personally not seen or read anything that would show otherwise either.
Larry V. quotes:
If you want a full size .45 for a duty pistol, the best one you can get, the best money can buy, is without a doubt is the HK45. However, I must caveat that in my opinion the gun may need to be modified out of the box for some people. What I’ve found is that half the people who pick the gun up are bothered by that bite. Once you get past that with the Bowie Vickers Mod, it would be my first choice as a full size .45 service pistol. I think it’s the most reliable, best built one on the market. Not only are they dead ass reliable, they’re incredibly accurate. The HK45 in my experience will shoot with a custom 1911 side by side.
Ken H. said this:
But the bottom line is we said let’s take the best features of some of the guns they’ve already designed and make it into a more ergonomic package.
Cool undocumented by source story if really true and accurate. And if it is true it is not evidence that an HK45 could not do the same which was basically just broken in after Todd Green's 50,000 round endurance test which was extremely well documented.
Again good to know but not any evidence that the HK45 could not do as well.
Well we will have to agree to disagree on this point and the others can review the documentations and make their own determinations.
Well, as long as the deal goes through tomorrow afternoon, my debate between a Glock or an HK will be decided. A member of a local gun board put up an HK USP 45 for sale. $725 with four 12-round mags, seems like that is a pretty good deal. I'm seeing a few other USP 45's on Armslist locally for $950+ with just a couple of mags. Looking forward to it. I'll throw up some pics after I pick it up.