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Hit And Run Driver Brings Knife To A Gunfight

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by NH Trucker, Oct 17, 2012.

  1. NH Trucker

    NH Trucker Needs coffee...

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    Police don't know if the driver was drunk or high. Blood testing was a problem because he lost so much at the scene.

    I'm sorry, but that just made me LOL.:rofl:
     

  3. RonS

    RonS Millennium Member

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    Hope plastic surgery can fix him up he has mimimal trouble with the law, criminal and civil.
     
  4. Hailstorm

    Hailstorm Boom Shacka

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    I just have one problem with this. The one problem is that only one round was spent.
     
  5. NH Trucker

    NH Trucker Needs coffee...

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    I was just confused by that statement in the article. Why would they have a problem testing the guy's blood? Sounds like there would have been plenty on the ground. All they would need is a sponge. :whistling:
     
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    We should setup an internet fund to pay for the homeowner's medical bills and send him to DisneyWorld.
     
  7. Detectorist

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    The guy with the gun initiated the confrontation. Just saying.
     
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    True...but so what? There's nothing illegal or immoral about confronting a jerk who just crashed into your car and is attempting to flee.
     
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    :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
     
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    Reminds me of a song:whistling:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D9vAItORgE"]Guns N' Roses - Live And Let Die - YouTube[/ame]
     
  11. Detectorist

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    In general, if one initiates a confrontation, one can not then claim self defense.

    I don't know the particulars of this one though.
     
  12. NEOH212

    NEOH212 Diesel Girl

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    Most of the time I agree that someone shouldn't take the law into their own hands but the police are usually get there long after things go down and all they can do is take a report and say sorry about your luck.

    I'm glad the homeowner wasn't hurt and the perp got owned. I see nothing wrong with what the homeowner did. The jerk that got shot caused the whole thing. Maybe if he acted in a civilized manner, called the police and said he hit someones vehicle and wanted a officer to respond to take a report, this wouldn't have happened.

    As far as I'm concerned, el-jerko caused it all and he brought it onto himself.

    No sympathy here except for the homeowner.
     
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    And that's exactly why the law needs to change. That's just plain wrong in situations like this.

    I'm not saying the law should allow people to start a fight and shoot someone but there are instances just like this one where there at least need to be exceptions to the law.
     
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    Guy hits homeowners vehicle and tries to get away.
    Homeowner confronts driver about damage done to his vehicle.
    Driver pulls knife and slices face of homeowner.
    Homeowner fearing for his life shoots driver to stop the threat.
    Homeowner is 67 and driver is 33.
    This should be a no brainer for a grand jury or prosecutor.
     
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    "should".

    Unfortunately, he was being a "vigilante" depending on you ask. :upeyes:
     
  16. mgs

    mgs Always Carrying Millennium Member

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    Spot on! A direct quote from LE to me. "The only reason to fire one shot is that your/my gun jammed. We are taught to fire multiple shots as needed to end a threat of deadly force". One shot is as much trouble as 6 or maybe 17.
     
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  17. Gallium

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    Assuming the content, timeline and perspectives of the article are 100% correct (and it hardly ever is).


    1. Young adult male crashes into vehicle of homeowner
    2. Homeowner goes out to investigate, sees his new vehicle has been hit. It is established that he is the 1st, and so far only victim
    3. Sees who he (correctly) assumes is the crasher attempting to flee, and in turn attempts to stop the crasher from leaving - actions which are completely legal AND REASONABLE in every state in the union. He has not used any level of force except for verbal commands to require compliance. The article did not say he pointed the gun at this time, or that he stood in the path of the vehicle, or that he made ANY physical contact with the perpetrator.
    4. Crasher slashes the face of the homeowner - the only real actual victim so far is now a victim x 2.
    5. Homeowner shoots victim once (great self restraint?), stopping the threat against his mortality.

    I am sorry Detectorist, based on the information in the article, there is no data there to substantiate your assertion. There is also no logic to how you could have possibly arrived at the conclusion as quoted above. What you have expressed is simply warped, wishful thinking, even for NY, MA, CA or any of the horrid anti-gun, thug cuddling states.

    The homeowner did not initiate anything. Look up the general and legal definitions of the word. None of us are lawfully required to retreat if someone else has damaged our property.

    --o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o

    In fact, with regards to automobiles, MOST STATES have a mechanism in place for two or more parties to exchange information without the involvement of law enforcement, and many states make it a criminal affair (misdemeanor or felony) to leave the scene of a motor vehicle accident ("hit and run" laws). There are only three states (or four, IIRC) where fleeing from a fatality at a hit and run is not a felony.

    Here is a compendium on hit and run laws for all of the states.

    http://www.deadlyroads.com/state-laws.html

    - G
     
  18. mgs

    mgs Always Carrying Millennium Member

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    He's allowed if his property is involved. It did not say he approached the truck driver with his gun drawn. He defended himself after the knife was put into play. You can question anyone in public about anything as long as you don't detain them or hold them at gunpoint....that is called reckless endangerment.
     
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    (Part bolded...) it depends on the state, but yes, it can be, among other things reckless endangerment. I suspect you are not going to get much traction from Detectorist. His position was wrong to start off with, illogical and un-defendable.

    Who the hell would post crap like that? It does not add up...
     
  20. mgs

    mgs Always Carrying Millennium Member

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    Got it....in PA your vehicle is an extention of your home so you can even stand your ground there!