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Historical Evidence of Jesus

Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by Kingarthurhk, May 12, 2012.

  1. Kingarthurhk

    Kingarthurhk Isaiah 53:4-9

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bLlpiWh9-k"]Is Jesus Real? - Non-biblical Evidence of His Existence - YouTube[/ame]
     
  2. Little Joe

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    It's believed that most of the disciples and Paul were brutally martyred. They could have walked away from it with denouncement. They witnessed the supernatural power of God, and the resurrection of Christ. They knew it was real, and were willing to die for it. That has always spoke volumes to me.
     

  3. Paul7

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    Yes, something changed Peter, for instance, from someone who denied Jesus three times and went back to his previous occupation of fishing to being a witness who could not be silenced. The Resurrection is the most logical explanation for that.
     
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  4. Animal Mother

    Animal Mother Not Enough Gun

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    Where do we find evidence of this change in Peter or that he went back to fishing after the crucifixion?
     
  5. Paul7

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    The Gospel accounts.
     
  6. Animal Mother

    Animal Mother Not Enough Gun

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    How is that not a circular argument?
     
  7. juggy4711

    juggy4711 Nimrod Son

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    Really? That is the most logical argument? Seriously? Explain to me how is would not be just as logical, just as reasonable to claim Peter did so because he was offered a large sum of money? Or figured he could attain a place of power and influence by doing so?
     
  8. Little Joe

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    What I don't understand is why a bunch of non-believers come into a faith based forum and tear threads down. This is not the debate forum. If you pulled this **** in GNG over tattoo or pitbull threads they'd run you out on a rail.
     
  9. ArtificialGrape

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    The forum is "Religious Issues" -- that does not make it a "faith based forum". It is neither a Christian forum, nor a theists forum. It is not necessary to believe in a deity to have religious issues.

    There is always christianforums.com for anybody that wants a forum where participants must agree that they are Nicene Creed accepting Trinitarian Christians.

    -ArtificialGrape
     
  10. Little Joe

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    Okay. Let me try it this way. Why go into Christian threads started by Christians and demand scientific evidence on faith based scriptures.
     
  11. eracer

    eracer Where's my EBT?

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    I'll take this one, Grape.

    Read the thread title. See that word 'evidence'?
     
  12. Little Joe

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    I'm talking overall.
     
  13. Little Joe

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    I've noticed that in all Christian based threads.
     
  14. eracer

    eracer Where's my EBT?

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    Both sides are guilty, overall. How many times has someone started a thread about the study of evolution, and had that thread immediately flooded with faith-based denials of its relevance and/or empirical proof?

    I agree that the arguments are tiring. I wish everyone could just admit that none of us knows anything for certain, and to question is not necessarily to deny.
     
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  15. Little Joe

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    Yeah, I agree. It seems that people who do agree can't have a decent conversation about it without it being derailed. No biggie, it's easy enough to just ignore them and not respond to their interruption.
     
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  16. Lone Wolf8634

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  18. ArtificialGrape

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    Eracer nailed it, this thread was started with the claim of evidence.

    Personally, I try to let statements of faith slide -- fine, that's what somebody has faith in -- I am more likely to get involved when there are claims of evidence, or science is abused or rejected in the process.

    For example if somebody has faith that the Great Flood really happened because that's what the Bible tells you, then okay. If you have faith that there were no rainbows before the flood, and by extension some people claim that it had never rained before the flood, then I may privately roll my eyes, but I'll probably let it slide. If somebody then claims that there is evidence that the Grand Canyon or the geologic column was created by the Flood, then I'm going to have a few questions.

    cheers,
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  19. Little Joe

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    Thanks for taking the time to explain your position to me.


     
  20. Lone Wolf8634

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    The first question I asked is the same as yours. Lots of folks answered.