Help with a sear question

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  1. Concealed30

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    I do not know much about 1911s because I have never had one. I have a question everyone here will probably laugh at. Is the sear the part that the hammer fits in? If not what the hell is it and its purpose? I searched online but I just got confused...Thanks in advance to whoever helps me out.....I am planning on purchasing a 1911 as soon as I save enough cash...........Concealed 30

    "The 1911 was the design given by God to us through John M. Browning that represents the epitome of what a killing tool needs to be. It was true in 1911 and is true now."—Colonel Robert J. Coates, USMC
     
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    The sear is part #37. It is the pivoting shelf that engages the hammer to keep it cocked. When it pivots under pressure from the trigger it disengages the hammer which falls.
     
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    Good shot JK. For the OP that picture shows the hammer and sear as they mate inside of the frame when assembled. Those pins are used to allow the gunsmith to check the engagement surfaces between sear and hammer.
     
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    I guess i wasnt to confused, I was in the general area...Thanks and look forward to learn more about it. The reason I ask is I was told that this part is easly damaged if the weapon is handled wrong, slide lock releasing without holding it back and release w/ur hand on it and move the slide forward slowly till it stops....G30
     
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    Letting the slide fly forward with no round in the chamber causes unnecessary battering of the sear/hammer hooks engagement area. So yes, letting the slide forward under assist is a good idea.
     
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    Stock sears and hammers are made to withstand the slide going forward.
    It is the customized trigger parts that have been reworked to change the angles and degree of surface contact at the hammer hooks and sear that are damaged by this action.
     
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    Fixed it for you. :supergrin:
     
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    If a trigger job is not too extreme there usually is not a problem.
    When you start getting in the 3 pound or less then you can get the hammer follow through and delicate sear and hook surfaces.
    As long as you know your weapon and feel comfortable with it there isn't a big problem.
    I am simply stating the fact that normal stock sears and trigger parts are not damaged by the slide going home on an empty chamber or without a magazine.
     
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    That is your opinion, not a fact. It differs greatly from the printed opinions of a number of top gunsmiths.
     
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    You contradict yourself. So, guns that you have sent back to Les Baer for sear work have had hammer follow as a result?

    I´m calling BS. :upeyes:
     
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    A sear does not just apply to firearms. Its operation is pretty basic mechanical engineering. Basically, if you need to put a part under tension (with weight, gravity, a spring ...) and keep it there, then devise a method of quickly releasing it, the sear is the thing that holds the tension and then gets out of the way to release it.

    Your need a 1911 ... sear-eously. :cowboy:
     
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    I believe they are talking about 1911's that have had trigger jobs done to them.
    I have not seen anyone make this claim in regards to a stock 1911.

    As a matter of FACT, and not just my opinion,I have a 1911 that is over 30 years old and has had the slide slam home on an empty chamber numerous times. Passes all safety and function checks.
    How many times does it take to damage the sear and hammer hooks?
    I also have one that has had a properly done trigger job that has never had the slide slam home in the 25 years or so that I've owned it and carried it.
    It recently started showing signs of sear wear by follow through to the half cock notch when cycling a round into the chamber.
    It has many rounds through it and it now needs some parts replaced.
    I am going to use stock parts and I no longer need or want a lightened trigger on her.
    That is just my opinion though. :supergrin:
     
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    We have differing opinions.:supergrin:

    Mine is why subject any parts of the weapon to unnecessary abuse?

    Take care, sir.
     
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    Thanks to all, I am learning more about JMB's wonderful design. All replys were extremly helpful, especially the parts diagram so I could seehow they interact with the hammer and firing mechanism. What a thing of beauty, to think that it was done over 100 years ago is just astonishing. Whay ahead of his time and still works a designed....I am impressed more and more everyday. Can anyone recommend a good starter 1911 that will not cost me $800-100 bones. I will ride and die with a glock in my pants, but I would like to own a 1911 to simply have a peice of firearm history....G30
     
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    Rock Island (RIA) would be a good/cheap starter gun. should be ~$399