[Djs9687]

I am fairly new to handguns in general. First off.

I will be buying my first one within the next 6 months. Ive decided to buy a new Glock 17 Gen 4.

Recently I have been watching videos of shooters doing "speed shooting" with there handguns, mainly todd jarrett. To say the least, I was very impressed and captivated by the whole thing. The whole concept of putting that many rounds on a target in such a short time is very fascinating to me.

I guess what im trying to ask is....Can I practice "speed shooting" with my new Glock 17? I know its not the G34 which is a competitive model BUILT for that, but I wanna make sure i dont damage my gun by trying to do something its not capable of. Like I said, this will be a stock Glock 17 gen 4, no upgrades...Thanks for your help.

 

[Facejackets]

You will be fine

 

[DWARREN123]

Practice accuracy first and then go for speed as you get better. Any Glock can be used for speed shooting but the user usually needs training. :supergrin:

 

[ede]

the 34 isn't any better built or designed than the 17. a 17 is able to do anything a 34 can. learn to hit what you're aiming at. when you get bored with not missing increase the speed and then work on not missing again.

 

[troysglock]

17 can take anything. Find that short and sweet Glock trigger reset and learn to focus and follow that front sight. Start with controlled pairs and then move on to three shots, and so forth.

 

[ron59]

.Can I practice "speed shooting" with my new Glock 17? I know its not the G34 which is a competitive model BUILT for that, but I wanna make sure i dont damage my gun by trying to do something its not capable of. Like I said, this will be a stock Glock 17 gen 4, no upgrades...Thanks for your help.

The 34 and 17 use the same frame. The 34 just has a longer barrel/slide. That, in turn, gives a longer sight radius which should make the 34 more accurate. Other than that... they're the same guns. As already said... nothing you can do with the 34 you can't do with the 17.

However... don't expect to be shooting like Todd anytime soon. The pros make the difficult look easy. I've got 40,000+ rounds downrange in the last 2.5 years, and I'm still a long way from those guys. Also was said before... work on accuracy first, then speed. Speed comes with time.

 

[TedG]

I attended a class and the specific target for improving speed shooting is below.

The procedure was to fire 6 rounds at the left vertical, with the center square as your target. You can take as long as you want to complete this string.

After the first six, you would fire 6 rounds into the corresponding middle vertical's center at a rate of one round per second.

The last string was to fire 6 into the right side vertical as fast as you could.

You should increase distances as you progress.

Vertical strings were OK, but the intention was to not vary left or right outside of the verticle. I still use this target for practice and I have given it to others that have found it helpful. The sheet is a simple 8.5" X 11" from a copy machine.

 

[MajorD]

as a new shooter NEVER focus on speed of delivery- slow fire mastering the fundamentals is first -I even encourage most new shooters to shoot some formal bullseye pistol matches- gives you emphasis on the fundamentals- too many people try to pile on the speed when they don't really have the fundamentals down- and shots go all over the place.
shoot slow fire until your 15 yard groups are 3 inches or less consisitently,only then increase speed only to the point you can continue to get no more than a 4 inch group- if the groups open up at speed slow down again. I've been shooting for over 30 years am a gssf master class guy and can't even begin to shoot as fast as a guy like Jarret!
don't sacrifice accuracy for speed for quite a while

 

[21Carrier]

As others have said, your G17 will be just fine shooting as fast as you can pull the trigger. You would have a hard time INTENTIONALLY hurting that gun. You should focus on accuracy for now. You will have no hope of hitting your target if you try shooting fast. That is just a good way to learn bad habits. As your accuracy increases, you will find that your speed automatically increases. Practice focusing on JUST your front sight. Focus HARD on that front sight, until the target gets blurry. Eventually, you will learn to track the front sight all the way through recoil. Once you can do that, you will be able to make accurate follow up shots in under a second. Accuracy is the ONLY thing that should matter for now. After all, speed does nothing if you miss.

 

[fodder1]

Focus on the fundamentals and use this. It will keep you within acceptable group size.

 

[Dacam]

Please keep in mind that a lot of people including the pro shooters who shoot in competition will shoot thousands of rounds a month. They will make it look easy.
Also, most of them will shoot softer reloads and tune their guns with softer springs to soften up the recoil which they can make follow up shots more on target.
Technique and how much you and your gun handles recoil is a big factor on speed shooting.

Focus on getting a good site picture and you'll be fine.

 

[Radian]

Speed is a combination of the right things done quickly from muscle memory. It's NOT an individual skill.

Building up skills should start with proper grip, sight picture, draw, presentation, acquisition, trigger manipulation, transitions, reloads, and focus on ACCURACY first with SPEED improving with practice.

Smooth shooters are fast shooters. Watching a good revolver guy run a stage in half the time you ran it (or I ran it) with a semi is an eye opener.

Panteao Productions makes great videos (they also support the shooting community) that teach the right fundamentals geared towards competitive shooters. Multi-Master / A class shooters spent lots of MONEY and TIME becoming fast.

The G17 is a great pistol, any great shooter can pick up a stock whatever and destroy a mid level shooter with a race gun, every single time.

 

[.38 super]

The excellent 3 bar target reminded me something... Being around guns for fairly long time, nobody actually taught me how to shoot, so when I finally decided to get serious, good friend of mine, 30 + years in the force, recommended me a little book, that IMO is the only book someone need to read and understand in order to get where a good shooter should be...Since then I went trough fair amount of books teaching you shooting techniques and so, but this one is the one with the largest amount of information, presented in smallest amount of words. Highly recommended, you can pick it up from Amazon dirt cheap, even used, also there is a .pdf file of it circulating online, but when we're talking about such literature, I respect people's intellectual rights and would not even look for it...
It is "Surgical Speed Shooting" by Andy Stanford ( with Foreword by J. Yeager)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/15...details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=#reader_1581601433
You can browse the book in Amazon, especially the first chapter, nothing but good basics and sence...

 

[TedG]

When Andy Stafford was based in Central Florida, I took a two-day class with him.

He was the source for the target. He was a good instructor.

It was a thousand round class and I was shooting a G30. My right web was bleeding by the end of the course.

That was more than a few years ago.

 

[blk69stang]

If you shoot fast and have crappy accuracy, you have accomplished nothing. Get the fundamentals down first, and speed will come. Remember: fast is sloppy, but smooth is fast. That, and "in a fight- front sight".

 

[Snooch..!!!]

But for God's sakes, PLEASE do not blow a hole in your monitor..!!! :wow: :rofl:

:wavey:

I attended a class and the specific target for improving speed shooting is below.

The procedure was to fire 6 rounds at the left vertical, with the center square as your target. You can take as long as you want to complete this string.

After the first six, you would fire 6 rounds into the corresponding middle vertical's center at a rate of one round per second.

The last string was to fire 6 into the right side vertical as fast as you could.

You should increase distances as you progress.

Vertical strings were OK, but the intention was to not vary left or right outside of the verticle. I still use this target for practice and I have given it to others that have found it helpful. The sheet is a simple 8.5" X 11" from a copy machine.

 

[.38 super]

When Andy Stafford was based in Central Florida, I took a two-day class with him.

He was the source for the target. He was a good instructor.

It was a thousand round class and I was shooting a G30. My right web was bleeding by the end of the course.

That was more than a few years ago.

I'm not sure if OPS is working this days...I know it was active about 2 years ago ... At this time Andy did not teach anymore I think, it was a different instructor...

 

[TedG]

I'm not sure if OPS is working this days...I know it was active about 2 years ago ... At this time Andy did not teach anymore I think, it was a different instructor...

It was definately Andy that taught my "class" as I was the only attendee. I believe his training business was slowing down at that time.

 

[Djs9687]

Thanks alot first off for everyones replies. Sounds like when I get to practicing speed shooting with my soon to be new Glock all will be well, great to hear :thumbsup:

The majority of you are saying the same thing, with reason, accuracy first, speed later. I might be new to firearms but would be the first to agree with you all on that. If you dont hit the target who cares if you can shoot 15 rounds a second. However, I did hear a few of you saying when shooting, focus on only the front sight. Obviously there are 2 sights on a Glock, the rear and the front, but why only the front? Why not line up the two? Sorry for sounding like a newb, lol......but you gotta start somewhere. Thanks fellas.

 

[.38 super]

Thanks alot first off for everyones replies. Sounds like when I get to practicing speed shooting with my soon to be new Glock all will be well, great to hear :thumbsup:

The majority of you are saying the same thing, with reason, accuracy first, speed later. I might be new to firearms but would be the first to agree with you all on that. If you dont hit the target who cares if you can shoot 15 rounds a second. However, I did hear a few of you saying when shooting, focus on only the front sight. Obviously there are 2 sights on a Glock, the rear and the front, but why only the front? Why not line up the two? Sorry for sounding like a newb, lol......but you gotta start somewhere. Thanks fellas.

They are aligned but you focus your vision on the front sight, means the rear becomes fuzzy. You'll do just fine, get a book and read it, there is plenty of info, even on You Tube, they were some discussions recently here, check those videos, they'll give you idea about sight picture, alignment and focusing on the front sight...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo0kKQt6S9E&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSsHgVdauZI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ-_Qowr5MI&feature=related