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help - my glock shoots low and left.... loose nut behind the trigger???

Discussion in 'GSSF' started by Rusty Phillips, Oct 7, 2002.

  1. Rusty Phillips

    Rusty Phillips Moderator Millennium Member

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    i talked to bobby c at conyers about grip and how much meat of the index finger to put on the trigger.... i have a pretty bad low / left that (at conyers at least) i have been correcting by aiming high / right

    im convinced (well - bobby said so) that because i have pretty big hands - with long and skinny fingers..... i am pushing the trigger (and the gun, and the shot) to the left instead of pulling the trigger straight back

    i know im getting too much finger on the trigger - heck - i can almost touch the tip of my index finger (thru the trigger guard) with my thumb (wrapped around the gun) i am having trouble backing my index finger out of the trigger because where the finger meets the hand is already so far forward (ok - i know that doesnt make any sence)

    at any rate - when i got a chance to shoot a g21 recently i was surprised at how good it felt (more surprised at how well i shot it)

    i was wondering how many of you also feel that the G17/22 is a little too small for your hands?

    and i was wondering if you used skateboard tape, agrip, or a handall to make the grip bigger, or if you traded up to a G20 or G21 or if you adjusted how you gripped the gun?

    right now ive built up the front of the grip an extra quarter inch (i'd really like to build up the back as well) and have wrapped the entire grip with several layers of black duct tape playing around.......

    i'd also like to build up the right side of the grip to move my palm out a bit to straighten my index finger out a bit more....

    im still playing around - and intend to redo everything with skateboard tape after finding something i like

    (although that g21 looks better every day)
     
  2. TJC

    TJC "No Compromise" Millennium Member

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    Rusty,

    While I understand that the smaller Glock frame is small for some of us, that has nothing to do with the good shooting of said gun. Building things up, compensating by shooting high right etc are not the way to shoot that gun well. Using correct shooting methods are. It sounds like BobbyC started you on your way with the trigger finger correction. If you want to add AGrip or skateboard tape to let the gun feel better in your hand, then do so. But to do so and expect the gun to shoot better for you, it won't.
    You need to spend a lot of time in front of a mirror WITH AN EMPTY GUN, practicing your trigger pull. Aiming the sights so they line up in the mirror, dry fire the trigger. When you get to the point of being able to do it without the sights moving off of their own reflection, you are getting there. This practice will get you to see what you are doing with the gun (and the shot) when you pull the trigger.
    In the old days of revolvers I would tell you to balance a quarter on the barrel as you do this drill. You should be able to pull the trigger without moving the sights or letting the quarter fall. But with the flat area of the slide of a Glock, you can balance a pound of sugar without it falling. So just practice the mirror trick for now.

    Hope this helps.
     

  3. Flexmoney

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    Exactly what TJC said!

    Try balancing a dime on the front sight in dry-fire. If you get 10 trigger presses in a row without the dime falling off, then you are make progress.

    (You will have to put the dime on to reset the trigger between dry-fire trigger presses.)
     
  4. Rusty Phillips

    Rusty Phillips Moderator Millennium Member

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    im going to get some dry fire in this afternoon and out to the range this evening

    -i had worked on alot of dry fire after statesville (before conyers) and felt pretty good about it (other than pulling low left)
    -i also did a lot of "load one in the chamber, then drop the mag, then fire one, dry fire the next"

    all of this was with too much meat on the trigger.... (as time was running out on conyers) i gave up and started working on how far right i needed to adjust

    moving my finger out of the trigger guard still feels uncomfortable, and im yanking the gun all over the place.... will try to smooth that out

    i really hope to get this straightened out before anderson


    thx rusty
     
  5. mike from philly

    mike from philly

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    Dumb question from the lazy guy (me) .... is the dime on edge or laying flat? I'm having a helluva time getting the dime to stay on its edge let alone trying to pull the trigger. Are your dimes fatter than mine?
     
  6. Flexmoney

    Flexmoney

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    mike from philly,

    lol, flat side of dime to flat top of sight should do jut fine. :)

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    Rusty,

    Adjusting your point of aim is a losing proposition.

    Know that big, small...whatever...others before you have done what it takes to master the Glock trigger (low and left is very, very common). It is all about training.

    I am a firm believer in adjusting the shooter, not the gun. But, it is also given that a lighter trigger on a target gun is easier to shoot accurately.
     
  7. Fireglock

    Fireglock Which is worse?

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    Rusty, you can do it! :) Make the pistol comfortable, then train your hand. My hands aren't that large but I had the finger placement issue to work out. Even after finding the right combo it still took a lot of dry firing to feel comfortable with things. Once you get it, it's easy to retain with just a little practice. Listen to that TJC guy, he's helped me a little. ;f
     
  8. mcginnes

    mcginnes Safety Officer Millennium Member

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    First, TJC got it exactly right (or course.)

    I'll bet my hands are as big as yours, and I do ok without anything on the grips.

    What I do for this problem is dry-fire strong hand only. This will keep the support from your weak had from covering your flaws. Try to dry-fire without any movement of the sights, especially that little wiggle right as the striker hits. That is not the vibration from the striker hitting the slide, that is the gun moving around in your hand. If you have a laser or a dot-scope, that will help you see the movement too.
     
  9. glocklady

    glocklady and my buddy

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    I used to have a terrible low-left problem, and found I was squeezing the grip too hard with my strong hand. For dry-fire practice, I use almost no grip on my right (strong) hand, and all the grip in my left. Left hand holds like a vise, neither thumb is doing a thing. Practicing live fire, I probably hold a 70% left hand and 30% right hand. By over emphasizing the grip I have been able to relax my strong hand, so that my trigger finger can remain loose and *just* pull the trigger, not the whole gun. Works for me, YMMV.

    Debbie
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  10. Rusty Phillips

    Rusty Phillips Moderator Millennium Member

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    update:

    i need alot more dry firing

    i need a little more live firing

    the clock is counting down to anderson

    my 25 yard shots are now about 12 inches left and 9 inches low..... and 10 shot groups appear to be in a 8 inch circle

    i hope to get this thing figured out soon

    while i am stoked about only having 18 penalty seconds at conyers (12 seconds on 5TG and 6 seconds on GM).... it was very frustrating having to aim for the far (2 oclock) side of the 25 yard target to get them into the center

    maybe at anderson or jax i can get my "clean" match

    thanks for all the tips and advice

    rusty
     
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    Rusty, check the alignment of the gun in your hand. Try pointing your trigger finger and your thumb at the same time at something, then set the empty gun in your hand so it lines up with the alignment of your finger, thumb, and forearm... then wrap your fingers around the gun and set your finger on the trigger. With the trigger already back, try squeezing the trigger while pointing at a target. Notice if the front site dips to one direction or another. Try changing the way your fingers grip the gun, and the way you place your finger on the trigger, then do the same trigger squeeze test. Grip the gun slightly different ways and notice if the front site moves. When you find the way to grip and squeeze that moves the site the least, that grip configuration is most likely "your grip". Practice your dry firing, then head to the range. Most likely the gun is moving off aim as the trigger "bottoms out" after pulling the trigger. The idea here is to have the gun in a "neutral position" in regards to the alignment of the bones in your hand so the gun doesn't move when the trigger bottoms out and you are squeezing the gun to control the recoil. The place where Agrip helps is that you don't need to hold the gun so tight to control it. It's easier to shoot with a more relaxed hand. A more relaxed hand means less jerking, fatigue, and shaking, and so smoother shooting.
     
  12. glocklady

    glocklady and my buddy

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    I'm surprised at how far off center your hits are. I'm assuming you don't have the world's worst flinch? Not that you're a newbie, but how about finding a more experienced shooter and having them shoot the gun? Let us know...

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  13. Rusty Phillips

    Rusty Phillips Moderator Millennium Member

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    my heinie rear sight was slightly too far to the left.... duh

    i didnt notice it being too far left until someone else pointed it out

    it wasnt much

    i nudged it just a wee bit towards the center



    i took off all the crap i had wrapped around the grip

    and rotated my rt hand back around the grip slightly

    in other words - my rt thumb has moved around the grip a bit more - it is a little straighter now..... moving my index finger back and out

    looks like i have verticle stringing.... 8 of 10 shots in a 3 inch wide by 7 inch tall pattern about 4 inches to the left of the center of the IDPA target i was practicing on

    if i had my camera with me i could post a pic of the target and of the sight

    still working on dry fire

    my goal is to shoot a clean match (albeit a very sloooowww one).... if not anderson or jax, then maybe ill have to wait until statesville next year

    any of you have close up pic's of your grip??

    thx for the help & advice
     
  14. Flexmoney

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    Rusty,

    Make sure you aren't picking you head up right after you fire your shot (to see where it hit).

    Razor sharp focus on the front sight. Follow through.