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Discussion in 'Hunting, Fishing & Camping' started by muscles, Jan 3, 2005.

  1. muscles

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    I can help if you really need to. Send the check to me in Omaha and I'll have it spent in less than an hour:)

    For your application, the 300 win mag sounds like a good choice. I would say that you may not want to lug a 1000yrd target rifle up and down mountain slopes looking for elk though.
     

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    The site is still partly under construction but they have some good info on long range shooting and how to get started. www.jandalshooting.com
    Have fun spending that cash and enjoy shooting.
    Eagles405
     
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    I don't like 357glockers suggestion because, well... you are sending the check to him and not me. ;f

    I have a 300 Win Mag and am very happy with it. I originally bought the rifle cause I liked the stock and thought that I could always rebarrel it for 7mm Mag. After I shot the 300 for a while I never looked back at the 7mm Mag.

    I would vote for 300 Win Mag.
     
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    If you really want to shoot at those ranges, I'd go with the 300 win mag, and a Leopold Vari-X III scope.

    A decent stainless rifle like a Remington 700 Sendero with a synthetic stock and that scope would be getting pretty close to your price range.
     
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    No offense, but some of your questions lead me to believe you're a little green when it comes to rifles. I'm not trying to put you down or anything of the sort, but experience level does play a part in picking out a rifle. With the ranges you're talking and heavier recoiling rifles, it could make for some discouraging results if you're not ready. Especially if you just dropped a grand on the rig.

    It'd probably help folks give out advice if they knew a bit more about who was on the recieving end.

    If I'm wrong than the ;c is on me. ;f
     
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    a remington 700P in 300wm sounds like a good starting point
     
  9. Sixgun_Symphony

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    You will need to get set up for handloading to get best accuracy. You should also join a local gun club to get more practice in at the range.

    http://www.reload-nrma.com/
    http://www.ch4d.com/

    Click on the above url's to get more information on handloading.
     
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    Sixgun_Symphony NRA4EVR

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    A .30-06 will be fine, most hunting rifles are more accurate than what the shooter can do.

    My advise is that you join a local gun club and practice every week to become a real rifleman.
     
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    I would personally stay away from heavy barreled rifles for a hunting gun. Unless it's a safari rifle I want my rifle light and totable. If you're arms are up to it though a Tikka, Remington or Savage would do you just fine.

    .300 win mag definately has the pop for larger game and the ballistics for long range shooting. It's a bit overkill for smaller deer, but I'm sure there's a bullet that will keep meat damage to a minumum and one of these guys knows what it is.

    Most of my rifles wear fixed power scopes. They have a few advantages in my mind. First they are easier to manufacture so they are cheaper than variables. This affords better quality glass. They are also tougher than variables. Even tough as nails variables like the Leupold VX3, Zeiss, Swarovski, Shmidt and Bender, etc will go down before sometimes even lesser fixed scopes. You also get a better feel for ranges if you are looking through the same magnification all the time.

    To do both of what you want I'd get 2 scopes. One 4x or 6x for hunting (Leupold M8) and another less expensive 10x or 15x (Weaver K series) for target. You can mount them with Leupold quick release rings (2 sets of rings, one set of mounts) and swap them out as needed. I have this setup on a switch barrel gun of mine and it works very well. In my case I'm changing barrels also, but I can swap scopes and be 2 sighting shots away from dead on.
     
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    Like mpol777 inferred, there are a LOT of variables. The first ones you need to answer are:

    1. Are you going to reload
    2. What is your criteria for "accuracy"

    If you are going to reload, then belted magnums are okay to consider. If not, then don't waste your time on them. The cost is higher and they are more finicky since they headspace on the belt and not the shoulder. The 300 WSM is a non-belted magnum and is a very accurate cartridge. The 300 Weatherby tends to be a bit more accurate than the 300 Win Mag if you must have a belt. The 7mm-08, 30-06 are also good options, as are about 4 or 5 other cartridges I would prefer, but...

    If YOU can shoot MOA or 1/2 MOA, then you can realize the potential of accurate rifles. Most people (even those who think they can shoot well) have a hard time holding under 2" groups at 100 yards from a rest and about 6" to 8" under field conditions, much less a large buck or bull in the crosshairs. The only real way to know what YOU can shoot is to beg or borrow a benchrest quality (1/4 MOA or less) rifle and shoot it at 100 yards. A 1/4 MOA rifle is a waste of time and money if YOU can only shoot 5" groups. Once you have that ironed out, then consider what accuracy at what rnage you really want. A 3x9 scope is not capable of delivering the accuracy of a 1/4 MOA rifle at 1000 yards.

    Third, what does "double" mean. I've hunted deer and elk for over 20 years, usually a few times each year for elk. "Super-Rifles" kill a lot less animals than .30-30s and .270 and .30-06s that are 50 years old and look like heck. Last year I hunted with a guy who had a several thousand dollar McMillan in .30-378. He had custom loaded rounds guaranteed for 1/2 MOA in HIS rifle. He would not shoot past 200 yards because he could not hit anything past that. The elk he shot was 100 yards away and the first shot hit it in the rear leg! What a wasteful and shameful hunter! I've killed elk with a shot through the heart at 425 yards using a Rem 700 .30-06 that is about the most common rifle there is. Personally, I'd toss a few hundred more dollars in and get a decent hunting rifle and a decent target rifle. You could get a Rem 700 or a Weatherby Vanguard in several decent calibers for about $450. A Remington 700P is about $700.

    Or just get a Remington 700, a Winchster Model 70 or a Weatherby Vanguard and put a nice scope on it. You'd be under $800 easily. Spend the rest on reloading equipment or ammo and a range membership. Save $100 a year for 4 or 5 years and if you still think you want it, get it re-barreled with a high-quality barrel and get the action trued and the bolt face recut for best accuracy. In the long run, you'll likely be happier taking this route.
     
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    You can easily spend your $1100 on a scope, and if you want to shoot at 1000 yards youd be well served to buy a qualify $500 rifle and put the rest in optics.
     
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    Invest the $1100.
     
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    No, it dosen't.
     
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