[Aggressor]

Hey guys a buddy just bought this. He thinks it's a Springfield. What say you?

 

[MajorD]

Hard to say. it appears to be a standard ( if there was such a thing) 58 cal civil war rifle musket. In addition to Springfield and harpers ferry, multiple contractors made similar pattern guns. I don’t see typical Springfield markings so suspect it is one of the contractors

 

[mj9mm]

Does it say Springfield anywhere?

 

[DocCasualty]

It looks a lot like a Springfield Model 1861 but either another contractor or reworked.

 

[Aggressor]

Does it say Springfield anywhere?

No it actually does not say Springfield anywhere.

 

[bykerhd]

Caliber ?
Lots of rifles were imported by both sides during the Civil War.
First glance I thought it might be an Austrian Lorenz.

 

[Aggressor]

When I research it, the hammer looks Springfield (ish) but not the rest of the lockwork. ??

 

[Aggressor]

He is not sure if it's a 54 or 58 caliber.

 

[Aggressor]

Thanks for the input guys!

 

[mj9mm]

pretty good shape for it's age. i'm sure it has a story to tell, somewhere in there.

pretty close to the Austrian Lorenz as stated earlier...

 

[Rotn1]

Definitely an assault rifle……

 

[DocCasualty]

Definitely an assault rifle……

It does have that dreaded bayonet lug. 🤣

 

[DocCasualty]

Rear sight looks like an 1861. Wonder if it might be a Bannerman rebuild or something akin.

 

[DocCasualty]

Might have found something here: Custom U.S. Model 1861 Percussion ''Bannerman's Special'' Cadet Rifle

 

[highpower3006]

I don't know what it is, but I can say that it is not a Springfield. It looks more like a European musket of some type, maybe Belgian, German or an amalgamation of various foreign and/or American arms ala Bannerman.

For comparison, here are a few pics of my 1861 Springfield:

I got this off of the family of the fellow that carried it in the War of Northern Aggression as a member of the 14th Connecticut Volunteers. The 14th Conn. were at many CW battles including Gettysburg.

 

[Aggressor]

Can you imagine one shot and then maybe bayonet time? Nasty. It would be terrifying actually I think. When i see old muskets like this sometimes I start thinking about what they would have been feeling using this weapon in actual combat.

 

[Aggressor]

New information.. Some of the markings on the barrel match Austrian markings. So really might be a Lorenz.

 

[Aggressor]

Yeah def not a Springfield! Lol I think he has a lorenz maybe. Thanks for all the info guys!

 

[Tvov]

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I got this off of the family of the fellow that carried it in the War of Northern Aggression as a member of the 14th Connecticut Volunteers. The 14th Conn. were at many CW battels including Gettysburg.

A little off topic... We found the 3 monuments to Connecticut units that are at Gettysburg battlefield. I think at least 2 of them had shamrocks on them?

 

[DocCasualty]

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OP I know it’s not necessarily cool to direct folks to other sites but you might consider asking at a couple of blackpowder/muzzleloader forums like at Black Powder or Firearm Identification or Smoke Pole - Blackpowder Forum