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Health Care Right Now! Wake up America!!!!

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by mgs, Oct 24, 2012.

  1. mgs

    mgs Always Carrying Millennium Member

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    This was just posted on another form....it has started. BTW...they just removed my 75 year old Mother In Law from dialysis and she will die soon I'm sure.....bastards!

    Sept. 20, 2012

    I'm a 67-year-old former Marine & a Vietnam veteran. I say: "Forget about living to age 75 in the USA!"

    This morning at Danbury Hospital here in Connecticut, I was scheduled for a cardio-lite stress test. This is a treadmill stress test where nuclear dye is injected into your bloodstream and you are put in a CAT scan or something similar in order to take a picture of your heart. If all is good, the heart shows up red; if there are blocked arteries anywhere, the heart shows up pink. I have had three of these tests in the past twelve years due to blocked arteries discovered in 2000. They use the test to determine if I need a "roto rooter" or a bypass operation.

    So, I arrived for my previously schedule appointment at the hospital at 8 a.m. this morning and in the process of checking in, the lady in the front desk said that my appointment has been canceled. She made a call, spoke with someone, and then she handed me the phone. It was a nurse in the Cardiology Department who said that my medical insurance carrier denied the procedure.

    I said, "It is a routine part of my heart maintenance program as ordered by my PCP and with approval from my cardiologist who is the head of Danbury Cardiology Department, which is right where I am standing right now."

    She went, "Yes, but our request was denied."

    So I said, "I have Medicare, so what is my backup insurance doing denying anything."

    Then the bombshell. . .she said, "It was the Medicare Board that denied the procedure."

    At that point, I turned to everyone behind me, and it was a long line, and I said to them "Well, you won't have to wait too long today because my stress test procedure was just canceled by a Medicare Death Panel. I am only 67 so can you imagine what is going to happen when we really get old?"

    The entire waiting room and everyone there from patients to staff just went dead silent.

    Then, I turned to the front desk staff and told them, "I guess I will have to write a letter to the editor of the Danbury News Times and call my senators and congressman and let them know the Death Panels have already convened".

    Then I walked out.

    By the time I got home the message machine was blinking. My PCP had called and so did the hospital and guess what? Medicare decided to approve my stress test procedure, and I should get back down to the hospital, and they would fit me in right away for the 3-hour procedure.

    I called back and told them that I couldn't make it, I was going fishing because I didn't know how many more fishing trips I could get in before I went into cardiac arrest, but not to worry about me costing the government any money because I am a 30% disabled Army veteran due to Agent Orange poisoning which is what caused this heart problem to begin with, and I qualify to be buried for free in a plain pine box in the cheap graves section at any national cemetery. I certainly don't want to cost our government any money. So, maybe we just won't do the procedure anymore and we can use the money to redistribute it to all of the illegals to keep them alive so they can mow the lawns at the national cemeteries.

    And so this note is for everyone to know that the Death Panel crap has already started. And if we don't vote this guy and his criminal cronies out of office this November, then we should all expect to die younger and as completely broke paupers as the country goes further down to hell.

    Feel free to distribute my note to anyone and make it your mission to not only make your vote count in November 2012 but on behalf of all of us, please also make an effort to help convince everyone to NOT vote for the present White House occupant or any of his cronies in the November 2012 election if they want to receive proper medical care and expect to live to age 75 or older!

    Another forwarded email message from another Marine:

    Dr. Suzanne Allen, the head of Emergency Services at the Johnson City Medical Center in Johnson City, Tennessee, was recently asked if she has seen any effects of ObamaCare in her work.

    Her reply was: "Oh, yes. We are already seeing cutbacks on the services we provide. For example, we are now having to deal with patients who would normally receive dialysis, who no longer can. In the past, there was always automatic approval under Medicare for anyone who needed dialysis -- not anymore."

    When asked what the outcome will be. "The patient will die sooner without dialysis," she replied.

    What about other services?

    She said that as of 2013 (after the election), no one over 75 will be given major medical procedures unless approved by the government-appointed local Ethics Panel. These Panels will determine whether a patient should receive medical treatment or not. Dr. Allen points out that most life-threatening emergencies do not occur during normal hospital business hours, and if there are emergencies that need to be resolved within minutes or few hours, the likelihood of getting these Panels' approval in time to save a patient life is going to be very challenging and difficult, if not impossible. This applies to operations such as stent placement, bypass surgery, kidney operation, or treating an aneurysm which are normally covered under Medicare today. In other words, starting in 2013, if you needed a life-saving operation, it is likely that Medicare might not provide coverage anymore, or if it does, it will require approval by a government appointed Ethics Panel if you are age 75 or over.
    When in 2013? "We haven't been given a specific date, it could be in January or July, but it's after the 2012 election," says Dr. Allen.

    This is shocking to anyone who will be 75. Her advice? "Get healthy and stay healthy. We do not know the specifics of the actual implementation of the full ObamaCare policies and procedures; they haven't filtered down to the local level yet. But we are already seeing severe cuts in what we provide to the elderly. We have refused dialysis to an individual who was 78 just the other day. We have also refused to give stents to a gentleman who was in his late 80s. Every day, we are seeing these cutbacks aimed at reducing care across the board for anyone who is over 75."

    This is a death sentence to those who are over 75....perhaps you should pass this on to your friends who are thinking of voting for Obama this year. Regardless if you have private health care coverage now (I have Aetna Medicare Part B), it will no longer apply after 2013 if the Ethics Panels disapprove of a procedure that may save your life.

    Scary! Think about how this applies to you, your parents, and your other loved ones!

    If you didn't know about it, as Nancy Pelosi said, "Well, if you want to know what's in the bill, you'll have to read it...." (after it was already passed).

    This is an important reminder to stay healthy, and to get your plot at the nearest Forest Lawn Memorial Park now, while they are still available because the ObamaCare Plan is a death sentence to those who are age 75 or older!

    Semper Fi Mofak (end of e-mail warning)

    Btw, I personally recall the warning I received from a TN Neurosurgeon of a couple of months ago: he said he heard [at a recent conference in DC] from a rep from HHS that beginning in 2013 or 2014, no patient over 70 will be given neurosurgical operative care..only "comfort care" will be allowed.
     
  2. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Cosmopolitan Bias

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    This is what "free" gets you.
     

  3. JBnTX

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    Just imagine the power of a government that can withhold life saving medical care just to save a few dollars.

    They may start with just the elderly patients, but soon they'll realize they can save medical expenses with the mentally ill, the uneducated, the poor, the minorities, prisoners and other undesirables.

    How long before they include YOU?
     
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    Mushinto Master Member

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    Not likely, they can vote. When you get too old to vote yourself taxpayer money, you become soylent green.
     
  5. Flying-Dutchman

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    I have a relative who has early stage bladder cancer.

    There is procedure of introducing tuberculosis to the bladder (the amazing things they do today) as a potential cure.

    Supposedly there is a shortage of this drug and at 86 it is not worth treating someone this age anymore.

    Even the suggestion of buying this drug from Canada was met with a round of BS.

    Talk to those in the medical field; Obama Care is here already and there is a lot of evilness in those 2,000 pages nobody read.
     
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    certifiedfunds Cosmopolitan Bias

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    Interesting comment. How much money should the taxpayers be required to spend to save a 70 year old -- or any person's life?

    Seriously, give me a number.
     
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    Flying-Dutchman

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    In cash we trust.

    Never trust the Government.

    Never depend on the Government.
     
  8. JBnTX

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    I understand what you're saying and I agree with you.

    But here in our imperfect world with our imperfect government, we find ourselves in this predicament.

    Taxpayer money should NOT be used to fund an individual's healthcare, retirement or daily living expenses.

    But, it is and will be for the foreseeable future. It's not right, but that's how it is. That's not going to change.

    I don't know how much should be spent to save a person's life. All I know is that I fear a government with the power to make that decision.
     
  9. Carrys

    Carrys Inquisitive

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    I'm with you my friend.......just how much money is society obligated to spend on people whom they don't have any connection to? And why are they "obligated" to begin with?

    Would you agree to put a new heart in a man over two hundred years old..........if not then..... you have standards as well, you just don't know it.

    I know it's seen as ok when it's a member of your own family.....although I don't understand that except out of greed because they can't or don't want to afford it.....but why is it everyone else's "have to" to pay for others? Especially when/if they're trying to pay for their own family member's care?

    I sdimply can't understand a person complaining about not getting something "for free" from the govt when the govt owes them nothing......it's all the rest of the people who are paying. Why do some folks think they are owed or are due something from others, just for being born?
     
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    Carrys Inquisitive

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    Shucks............you didn't have to live that way if you didn't want it, plenty of ways to fund your own way. There still is.

    That's the way it is simply because so many folks want it to be.

    For one reason, they think they're getting something for nothing.



    Until something like this happens and makes them understand the trap................all too late.
     
  11. JBnTX

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    No, it's that way because the government forced it on us.

    Obama forced his healthcare plan on America, just like social security was forced on the American taxpayer.

    Now millions of Americans are dependent upon government for their very existence.

    Don't blame the people, blame the government.
     
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    certifiedfunds Cosmopolitan Bias

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    Aren't you the guy criticizes those of us who criticize the government?
     
  13. Carrys

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    Negative sir.........................the govt isn't forcing anything on you that you don't let them. One can always take measures to support themselves and not be on the govt dole, they simply don't want to pay the cost. They like the idea of getting something for nothing. That's all one hears out of seniors these days.....I paid into it yet they won't give me what I need. They should have paid more and got what they wanted. I did it, it can be done.

    But no, they wanted something for nothing. Well, they're getting it now, eh?
     
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    Navigating through the bureaucratic bs is enough to give you a heart attack if driving there does not do it first.
     
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    Thanks for the Snopes information. Also, dialysis puts a tremendous strain on the body. Dialysis will be with held if it will kill the patient. Dr's adhere to Socrates instructions "above all else, do no harm." Better a person die of natural causes than by a stressful treatment.
     
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    This sounds like the making of a chain email.
     
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    Obviously an Obama supporter....
     
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    Yeah, it gets you fictional creative-writing chain mails on the internet.
     
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    Louisville Glocker Urban Redneck

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    It never ceases to amaze me that people have so much faith in putting their lives in the hands of for-profit insurance companies rather than non-profit organizations. The insurance companies have a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profits. They are legally obligated to spend as little as possible. That is who you trust? Just because they're a private company?

    Enjoy.