Harley-Davidson Halts Electric Motorcycle Production

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  1. Tickhill

    Tickhill Eternity: Smoking or Non-Smoking

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    I purchased a 2019 Iron 1200 in June, after 30 years of not owning a bike. I focused on working and never gave it much thought. I had owned Honda-Suzuki bikes, all were dependable.
    I had always wanted a HD, I was not disappointed, yet.
    It is an expensive toy to buy parts for.
    I just never could see HD making electric bikes. Zero makes a well thought out electric bike, I looked at those but range is going to be an issue for any serious long distance riding. Their price seems alot more reasonable than the 30k of the Livewire, IMHO.
     
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  2. Nemesis.

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    Which, is an issue for the Livewire. Now, made worse with this latest hiccup. They have to charge the Livewire at a HD charging station, but not all dealers are going to install the chargers. HD is charging the dealers $100,000 for the station and overhead is already so bad, many just can't justify it.
     
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    Why would anyone want a electric motorcycle?
    People do not understand how much it costs to make electricity
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    Several years ago I rode a Zero electric motorcycle at a demo days. It was a hoot to ride and I’m sure they are better now. I look at it as a second bike though. I rode Harleys for years and don’t see the Harley electric as an option because of the high price.
     
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    It should be easy enough to adapt these to an E Bike.
     
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    The why is simple. Performance.
    Electric motors produce strong tourqe the instant power is applied.
    The economy and emissions aspects are just deceptions.
     
  7. cowboy1964

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    It's cheaper than gas and will be more so in the future. So you're right, people don't understand how much it costs.
     
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    I am actually very much in favor of the development of electric powered vehicles, but have you ever had to replace, dispose of, and recycle the batteries in an electric vehicle?
    The cost of electricity is only one factor in the lifetime operating cost of these vehicles.

    The electric transportation industry goes to great lengths to hide the negatives in the shadow of the percieved positives.
    The negatives are all manageble and will get better with time and development of better technologies, but until then, I would really like for the industry to be up front about all aspects of their products.
     
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  9. PBCounty

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    I'm not a Harley basher, and based on my little sample of the local market I do not see the Harley market aging out. They are still extraordinarily popular with younger people, although they all seem to buy used.

    That said, I don't see the HD name appealing to the electric bike market. I think fans of electric bikes will be attracted to a trendy / upstart kind of brand vs. one with such an old world identity such as Harley. Also, WTF were they thinking with that name? Livewire? It sounds like a toy RC car or something that Hotwheels would put out to 10 year olds. How effing stupid.
     
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  10. army_eod

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    matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed last I heard.
    It just changes form.
    How is all the electric power generated to charge the batteries?
    What is the cost to consumer and environment regarding batteries?
    None of this is renewable.
    It is just a BS Liberal agenda.
    And HD will continue to go down the tubes.
     
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    Comes with a 10 mile long extension cord. Would like to put a vrod motor in my Ultra.
     
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    Yeah, instant acceleration wins in the quarter mile. It loses in the cross-country race, though, with current battery technology. Not saying it will forever, we’re just not there yet. Actually we could be there right now if we treated batteries the same way we treated propane tanks (customers don’t refill, they exchange, and that’s instantaneous).
     
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    V-ROD engine was their best engine. Porche designed it. LOL.
     
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    Just not the best selling.
     
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    I would say it is a good number if you are selling expensive large displacement bikes primarily in North America and Europe is a pretty good number. If you are selling scooters and small bikes in Asia probably not so much. Hero motors in India sells 200,000 bikes a week
     
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    Harley is going to be selling motorcycles long, long after all of us are gone. As Ford survived the Edsel, so shall Harley survive the Livewire.
     
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    Indian doesn't seem to be having a problem though. Polaris (the parent company) reports overall sales are down but Indian motorcycles had an increase in sales. Exact figures are not available though.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ri...olaris-indian-motorcycle-increased-sales/amp/
     
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    Too expensive, like most things they sell. This is coming from an owner.
     
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    We're they having trouble making it leak oil?

    Seriously though Zero is headquartered in the town I like in and my PD bought one. They function more like dual sports. They are on the smaller side. They accelerate very well. They are actually fairly loud for being electric. I think it's because most have knobbier tires to be able to go off road and the motor is just hanging out there. They are heavy for their size.

    They would be good as a commuter for people who live around here. If you are way up the mountains and a tree falls down you can get around it rather than have to carry your chainsaw with you. Then when you are down on 101, 280, or 880 you can keep up with traffic that is moving and lane split when it isn't.
     
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