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Discussion in 'GSSF' started by DannyR, Sep 17, 2005.
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Made the trip down to Hallsville today. Couldn't have asked for better weather. It was nice having the stages set up where they were this year (It sure beat shooting from the sinking mud hole up above where they were last year).
Started off at the "M" stage which was just struggling beyond what I have ever experienced. The poppers were not caliberated properly, and not falling on dead center hits. After several shooters struggled with these poppers, the Glock Range Master came down and got them fixed, as the RO's didn't really seem to care about the problem.
After waiting 1 hour and 40 minutes to shoot the first stage we finally got rolling. The RO at the sign up sheets decided apparently he didn't like the GSSF way of signing in and squading so he did it his own way, ignoring the people who "X'd" in and just going down the entire list every time he set up a squad. Just about when we finished shooting the Glock Range Master came down and straightened this out too. I'm not sure of the lady's name from Glock who was running the match, but she did a good job of dealing with several RO's who seemed to not understand how things were supposed to be done.
Before someone goes jumping on me telling me how the RO's volunteer and blah, blah, blah some of these guys here were totally stubborn in their own ways and were ignoring how GSSF runs their matches. I will add though that several of the RO's I spoke with were great guys and very friendly. If GSSF could do ONE Little thing to improve how the match ran... Make sure there is at least one GSSF knowledgable shooter/RO who knows and understands how these matches operate at each and every station. This one person who knows how this match works, should be the one at the sign up sheets, squading shooters and making sure the other RO's understand the rules. The RO briefing in the morning may be thorough, but many of the RO's either aren't listening, don't get it, or choose to ignore the instructions from Glock. I'm sure it is a lot of information to try and digest first thing in the morning.
Blazed through the 5 to Glock, only having to wait about 15 minutes for that one, and then walked right up to the plates where no one was waiting.
All in all another good match, great times with friends, and fun safe shooting. Good job Glock/GSSF.
This year they had one R O telling people if they did Not reload in THE SAFETY ZONE he would dq them.
Doesnt the rules say no ammo in the safety zone?
Yes it does Term, but, some matches have their share of "my rules" types. ;Q Looks like cmzneb met another one, or two.
Theres always those types around
I was at Waldorf, I believe the instance described happened at the 'M'. In fact I believe I was at the 'M' located next door to where the reported instance happened. The RO's on the other 'M' never made any mention of this. You can find isolated idiots anywhere and everywhere. Or maybe this person was just having one of those 'old folks' moments or a 'brain fart'. Most of us can relate. However, this is a Safety related instance and is intolerable. I hope it was dealt with accordingly.
As for Hallsville, I trust all had a great time and shot well.
The wife and I arrived early Saturday. Signed in at all three stages by 08:45. There were a lot of complaints and confusion reguarding the squading. We were able to shoot the 5-To-Glock first with about a 15 minute wait, then 45 minutes at the "M"(And yes the poppers on the left stage were not set right) and no wait at the plates. We both completely blew our Comp runs but recovered on our Am/Civ . The wife had a 144.63 and I shot a 89.62. Not good enough to place but we both improved on last years scores. I was able to meet WIG19 and DP177 at the "M" and later in the day spoke with Dale Rhea at the plates. We spoke with Bobby Carver and his wife as we were departing the range. We had a fine dinner at Outback in Columbia with Joe L. the Glock armorer our teammates and some other shooting friends from around Kansas. All in all a pretty enjoyable weekend.
Beat my last scores by shaving over 100 points at Hallsville, which made me very happy. The main RO at 5tg seemed to think this was the Bianchi Cup, and didn't understand that the timers were sometimes reading the other person's shots(2 people shot simultaneously), and liked to argue that the way they had it was a "proven system" since that's how they do it in Bianchi.
I struggled all day with the bright sunlight. Having the sun behind 5-to-Glock and the plates was interesting to say the least. And having some targets in the shade and some in the sunlight on the M also was interesting. Last year I complained about the rain and mud. This year it was the sunshine. I just cant be pleased.
As for the ROs, it was disappointing at the 5-to-Glock having the lead RO make up his own way to squad. The Glock lady straightened him out but he wasnt pleased. And I think this lead to the worst gun-handling incident I have ever experienced at a GSSF match. The lead RO told the two shooters to load. They did. He then said something to the other ROs present and they all diverted their attention from the shooters, who were now holding loaded guns, to him. One of the shooters bent over to pick something up and his gun arm stayed straight as he bent over at the waist. His gun pointed back, right at me. From the angel I could not see if his finger was on the trigger but that really didnt matter. Ive had loaded guns pointed at me before but this was the first time I was truly scared.
But even with a poor performance and a gun being pointed at me I still enjoyed the day. Everyone, with the exception of a know-it-all RO, was fun to deal with. We arrived at 9:00 am and were done by 11:00 am. Well be back next year.
Departed Rochester, MN at oh-dark-thirty on Friday, after making the obligatory stop at Brownell's ;f dp177, Tim Warner & I proceeded to the motel where we DP & I installed Tim's new Bo-Mars. Went to the range & met with Cindy who was busy with the setup & who kindly let Tim go to a different range and we checked out the newly installed Bo-Mars on his 34. We then went in search of dp177's Mom & Dad who were camped at the Cottonwood RV park and, who kindly hosted us for some great brats & pasta salad. Fine people (now I see where Dwight gets his somewhat quick & dry wit from). Will post a few pics in the photo thread, including a road-crew portait of us relaxed at their campsite with the Glock banner that travels with us. Dwight's Mom saved our bacon the next day by going back up the hill for some Kleenex for Dwight (sniffles), and a bottle of water for me. ~hg
Probably enough already posted about the issues this year at Hallsville. I'll leave most of those out, except to say that whether it's because of using the ranges down below or not, the crew needs to set some tables out so people aren't laying their shooting bags out on the ground (at the M they finally did get some folding chairs). The bulk of the RO's were wonderful individuals, with the exception of the crusty individual at the 5TG, whose attitude is basically "We host the Bianchi cup, therefore our **** don't stink." He made it a point to say to all within earshot at the stage (during the timer problems) that "it was working until she (Cindy) messed with it." Well, Mr. RO, it WASN'T working - that's the problem; it was missing shots and doubling shot counts on others. While I was up in AC I stood after one string (with Tim on the other side) cooking for the better part of 20 minutes while they sorted this out and Cindy performed her job, which is to be Range Master for the event. In retrospect, I should've just had them tape my target & insist on a complete reshoot of the stage; my scorer was most apologetic. Cindy got it sorted out for the time being, but the individual RO conduct was un-called for. Someone whose claim to fame is the Bianchi cup should know better, and a GSSF match is nothing new to Hallsville. (Due comments of both support & concern were made to Cindy & the next day at Brighton when we talked with Scott.) The 2nd string, which I blasted thru with some resultant C's & D's, settled me down for the 3rd, but the damage was done. I'm the wiser for it now as I refuse to let the guy live in my head rent-free anymore; my mistake. (There was also an occasion of dp177 shooting the 'M' where the timer had some glitches and he ended up with 1 string that was 2 seconds slower than his others. I watched him shoot that & that dog won't hunt but, again, he initialed his score-sheet, so....)
Was good to meet G21H30 who recognized the headgear (see avatar) and the Siverts made both matches, as we saw them next day at Brighton. (Glad to see G21H30 & company able to recover their AC times.) Dwight also spent some time trying to debrief Dale about his trigger, but didn't come away with much, although I came away with a nice pic of Dale, Dale's lovely Mrs, and Dwight - as Butch likes to say, good thing she was there to help the photo out. ;f
Results? Well, not nearly up to Oakdale, but enjoyed also shooting my 26 in AS. My unofficial tally shows: CD 97.22; AC 97.76; AS 86.29
We grabbed some fast food, vowing to hit a Steak & Shake "down the road", grabbed some Missouri gas so we could avoid touching down in IL, and headed off to Brighton...
We thought about doing that. Was it a nice trip? And when did you head back to the cities, Sunday night or Monday?
We headed back right after the match Sunday, which ran long for us due to some backup at the plates. Took our time erring on the side of safety. Got back to Rochester around 0500 or so Monday AM; poor Tim had to head up to Mnpls and go right to work.
You've got to get the award for the most dedicated GSSF shooters! Drive to Hallsville, drive to Brighton, drive home to WI / MN for work on Monday? WOW. I was whining about how long it took to fly to Detroit. Shame on me!
Thanks Dwight for saying hello! My son was beaming after you complimented him on his Indy shoot. Very kind of you!