[tshadow6]

Is New York City and state included in H.R. 822?

 

[Oso]

The way I read it, yes. They issue permits, even if rare, so they would have to honor other states permits. :dunno:

 

[IndyGunFreak]

The way I read it, yes. They issue permits, even if rare, so they would have to honor other states permits. :dunno:

So, how much you want to bet they become the first state to drop their permit system because of 822? Also, I'm not so sure it would override NYC's handgun ban. I sure wouldn't want to be the test case.

 

[Oso]

So, how much you want to bet they become the first state to drop their permit system because of 822? Also, I'm not so sure it would override NYC's handgun ban. I sure wouldn't want to be the test case.

Perhaps. :dunno: Then the pro-gun people can stand up and be counted and vote accordingly. If not, they can move to a more friendly state or shut up and take it.

I am not sure of the exact wording of the NYC handgun ban, but if any permits are issued, then they would have to honor it. That being said, Bloomberg will do whatever he wants, so it really wouldn't matter what they have to do. I would not want to be the test case either. My pockets aren't that deep. Come to think of it, I'm not wearing any pants. :tongueout:

 

[tshadow6]

The way I read it, yes. They issue permits, even if rare, so they would have to honor other states permits. :dunno:[/QUOTE

Maybe I'm confused, New York carry permits are issued county by county correct? I would say NYC would argue since their permit is not a "state" permit they do not have to obey 822. Any lawyers out there?

 

[firefighter4215]

The way I read it, yes. They issue permits, even if rare, so they would have to honor other states permits. :dunno:[/QUOTE

Maybe I'm confused, New York carry permits are issued county by county correct? I would say NYC would argue since their permit is not a "state" permit they do not have to obey 822. Any lawyers out there?

But aren't the permits issued pursuant to a state law, like driver's licenses?

 

[Oso]

But aren't the permits issued pursuant to a state law, like driver's licenses?

I believe you are correct. It would still be nice to hear from a New York attorney on this, if any are present. Are there any New York City residents here that can chime in? I've only been there once and have no plans to return. :rofl:

 

[cowboy1964]

I think we discussed this about a month ago. Carry in NYC will probably NOT be allowed. I'm surprised this hasn't been challenged in court yet. It's usurping state law and most states usually specifically disallow that when it comes to carry licenses.

http://apps.carryconcealed.net/legal/newyork-ccw-state-laws.php

 

[PAGunner]

I think we discussed this about a month ago. Carry in NYC will probably NOT be allowed. I'm surprised this hasn't been challenged in court yet. It's usurping state law and most states usually specifically disallow that when it comes to carry licenses.

http://apps.carryconcealed.net/legal/newyork-ccw-state-laws.php

822 would cover NYC, permits are offered there, they'd have to go to no issue like IL, but I doubt the elites who carry in NYC would like that very much, so I think 822 would just be a hard pill they'd have to swallow.

 

[seanmac45]

It would cover NYC. We are still a part of the continental U.S. of A.

I don't worry about it too much though, I don't think it stands a snowball's chance in hell of passing and much less getting signed by this administration.

 

[AlexHassin]

i know that my license is one from the City of New York. for example i know a permit form upstate is not valid in NYC. i whould not want to the the guy that establishes precident is all i know

 

[PAGunner]

i know that my license is one from the City of New York. for example i know a permit form upstate is not valid in NYC. i whould not want to the the guy that establishes precident is all i know

That person who establishes the precedent might end up very wealthy if NYC tries to pretend 822 does not apply to them. Of course, 822 won't pass, at least for another couple years.

 

[AlexHassin]

That person who establishes the precedent might end up very wealthy if NYC tries to pretend 822 does not apply to them. Of course, 822 won't pass, at least for another couple years.

and a long pain in the arse time getting there

 

[NMPOPS]

I had an NY State Permit issued in 2008 in Chenango County. I was specifically told by the Sheriff's Office at the time that it was good in all counties except Westchester and those that make up NYC.

 

[Toorop]

I do believe that it would allow people from out of state who have a permit, to carry in New York City. However do hope it fails as it is an anti-Constitutional law and anti-freedom. Our republic will suffer if we continue to destroy the constitution.

 

[Garweh]

Approximately 50% of theopulation of NYS lives outside the NYC metropolitan area. The majority of counties otside NYC are very CCW friendly and many issue unrestricted permits. I doubt thar HR 822 will result in the repeal of the NYS CCW law.

NYC is a totally different matter. When NYS passed it's CCW law in the '60s, NYC was specifically exempt from honoring NYS permits and NYC was allowed to establish it's own permit system. That is why a NYS permit is invalid in NYC, but an NYC permit is valid in NYS.

I believe that HR 822 specifically requires states to honor each other's permits. I am not totally convinced that NYC will be included as it is a city that has it's own specific CCW permit system. Could be interesting...

 

[HarleyGuy]

Approximately 50% of theopulation of NYS lives outside the NYC metropolitan area. The majority of counties otside NYC are very CCW friendly and many issue unrestricted permits. I doubt thar HR 822 will result in the repeal of the NYS CCW law.

NYC is a totally different matter. When NYS passed it's CCW law in the '60s, NYC was specifically exempt from honoring NYS permits and NYC was allowed to establish it's own permit system. That is why a NYS permit is invalid in NYC, but an NYC permit is valid in NYS.

I believe that HR 822 specifically requires states to honor each other's permits. I am not totally convinced that NYC will be included as it is a city that has it's own specific CCW permit system. Could be interesting...

This is, unfortunatley the result when states don't have "pre-emption" laws that prevent local governments (counties, cities, etc) from making laws that superceede state laws.
THe Sullivan Act (named after a corrupt politician) was implemented to allow those who were "connected" to obtain a concealed carry license and to deny the average law-abiding citizen the same right.
If your current politicians had a spine and/or a conscience they would immediately repeal this onerous law but there's not a snowball's chance in Hades of this happening unless there's enough support to do so.

 

[Carrys]

As has been stated, the simplest and probably best thing to do from NYC prospective......is just ensure the Bill never passes.