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Guys, I need help with this custom 1911 before I dump it for a loss.

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by 12131, Jun 28, 2012.

  1. 12131

    12131 Monkeyboy CLM

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    I have this Colt Combat Commander that has been customized by Bob Cogan of Accurate Plating and Weaponry, that I got from a trade last year. This is the partial list of work done on the gun:

    Caspian beavertail
    Lower and flare ejection port
    Greider trigger, 4 lbs trigger job
    Convert to series 70 Colt model
    Throat barrel and polish feed ramp
    Replace extractor with series 70 extractor and tune
    Replace springs with Wilson Combat springs
    Install EGW hammer strut and firing pin
    Tighten lock up of barrel and tighten slide to frame fit
    Smooth all sharp edges
    Hard chrome refinishing job
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    It's a beautiful gun, feels great, has fantastic trigger and "laser" accuracy.
    Here's the problem. I have taken it shooting 3 times (100, 54, and 50 rounds), using only factory ammo (Blazer brass 230Gr FMJ, PMC Bronze 230Gr FMJ, Hornady +P 200Gr TAP FPD, Federal +P 185Gr Hydrashok, Hornady +P 230Gr XTP, S&B 230Gr FMJ), with new or nearly new Wilson 7- and 8-round mags, and Colt 7- and 8-round mags.
    9 times out of 10, the last round will not go completely into chamber. It will only go 50 - 75% in. I had to retract the slide slightly and gave it a wack to fully sit the round.
    The gun is cleaned spotless and well lubed for each range trip.

    First owner said he had 150 rounds of various ammo through it without an issue.

    I've shot the above ammo using these mags through my full-size stock Colt XSE, and never had a single hiccup. So, I don't think it's the mags or ammo that are the problem.

    Give me some ideas, before I say screw it and sell it for a loss. Thanks, guys.:wavey:

    Update in post #43.
     
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  2. glock2740

    glock2740 Gun lover.

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  3. faawrenchbndr

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    You don't have a gun problem, you have a magazine problem.
    Some guns do not like some magazines. Commanders can be
    a bit more mag sensitive than Government models.
     
  4. 12131

    12131 Monkeyboy CLM

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    Pics.
    Don't have the actual pic of the jam itself, but I'm trying to simulate it here using the snap cap.
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  5. Baba Louie

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    Have you contacted Cogan and asked him or discussed situation? He may (or may not) have a solution. I agree the magazine(s) is/are the culprit. Might be spring, might be follower, maybe lips (probably not)...(?)

    I'd ask the builder first. He might even have a buyer standing around waiting... (don't know Bob Cogan from Adam or even if he's still alive/active)

    Really nice looking weapon. Really nice. Hope you get the situation resolved.
     
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    Travclem Badass Member Lifetime Member

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    Try different magazines.
     
  7. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr CLM

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    Could be recoil spring, but that failure is normally magazine related.
    How many rounds fired since it came back from Cogan?
     
  8. 12131

    12131 Monkeyboy CLM

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    150 by the first owner, 204 by me. The Cogan work was done by the 1st owner.
     
  9. glock2740

    glock2740 Gun lover.

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    Nice gun. Is the finish a polished hardchrome? Hardchrome is tough to photograph. Sounds like a mag issue to me as well.
     
  10. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr CLM

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    Try a Tripp or a McCormick mag. Call Cogan before you dump it.
    Darn good pistol, he will make it right if it is not a mag.
     
  11. Three-Five-Seven

    Three-Five-Seven Señor Mombo Millennium Member

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    Yup, a Tripp magazine ought to fix that right up. The Tripp follower holds the last round higher than "traditional" magazines and provides a positive feed for the last round.
     
  12. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    See if you can borrow different mags from people you know or from the gun shop where you bought it from.
     
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    Take two mags that have given you problems. Load one full and the other with just one round.

    Look at them from the side. You might notice a difference in the angle that the top round sits in relation to the mag body.

    That is your problem. The gun feeds OK with all but the last round because of the angle of the follower compared to the angle of the lips.
     
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    Since it happens with mutiple mags I'm leaning towards extractor tension. Maybe it's just a bit too tight? The mag spring tension is at it's weakest with the last round so maybe it won't overcome being just a bit too tight? Just a thought. Rather at the very least the tension should at least be checked to eliminate a variable. Then try some wolf springs power springs after that?

    No matter what it sounds like an easy fix, so I wouldn't dump it.
     
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    Mag issue which can be exacerbated by wet gun/interior of mag. Just for a test you can disassemble mag and clean. You can also slightly press in on feed lips.

    Sounds like the last round is leaving mag prematurely.

    Edit: badass pistol
     
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    1) extractor just a little too tight.

    2) loose firing pin stop and extractor fitment, causing it to clock in the slide.

    3) slightly too right of a chamber, and it needs to be ream for correct measurement. The barrel heated up and expanded, during the mag dump, and the last round is a little too tight to fit.
     
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    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    If one of these issues were to be the case then it's most disappointing to see on a custom pistol.
     
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    If any of these were the issue it would not be last round only
     
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    :agree:
     
  20. Mayhem like Me

    Mayhem like Me Semper Paratus

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    And shoot about 400 more rounds its not broken in yet...is it tight..

    My first Baer did that for about 500 rounds ethnic it was 100 percent.

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