Guns don't protect us, police and military do

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  1. StockGlock23

    StockGlock23 Hilarious!

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    South Bend Tribune - Opinon Article

    VOICE OF THE PEOPLE

    Kurt Barhydt (Voice, Aug 30) says: "When law-abiding citizens give up their guns, only two groups of people will have them: The criminals who kept theirs to possibly do you harm, and those of us other law-abiding citizens who kept ours for self-defense."

    He forgets a third and very important group -- our military, National Guard and police personnel -- the "well-regulated militia" specified in our Second Amendment. Ours is a nation of laws, not of vigilante justice. Our police and military work for us, and we want them to have guns for our defense against enemies foreign and domestic. The proliferation of guns among the general public increases the number of people harmed and killed by guns. It does next to nothing to enhance our security.

    Bob Conway
    Niles
     
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    R. Emmelman Tired Member

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    "He forgets a third and very important group -- our military, National Guard and police personnel -- the "well-regulated militia" specified in our Second Amendment."

    Uh, I don't think the police or national guard were around in 1776. As for military, many owned their own guns.
     

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    KSFreeman Broken Member

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    Newsflash (from 1990) Supreme Court of the United States holds that militia is not the National Guard. National Guard is part of federal army.

    Newflash (from 1989) government has no duty to protect you. The government is not responsible for your security.

    Newsflash (from 1994) according to the Supreme Court of the United States, "right of the people" is a term of art that means individuals.

    Newsflash (from last year) CDC study shows that not a single gun control measure has had any impact on crime rates.

    Apparently they are behind the times in Michigan.:supergrin:
     
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    R. Emmelman Tired Member

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    It's Niles, nuff said :rofl:
     
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    MakeMineaP99 Got SIG?

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    MI sucks!:animlol:
     
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    KSFreeman Broken Member

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    Now, now, be nice. We have many brothers in arms up there.:hugs:
     
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    R. Emmelman Tired Member

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    Nothing wrong with MI.... except Detroit maybe.
     
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    MakeMineaP99 Got SIG?

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    I'm currently stuck in MI for another month, I get to poke fun at them (and the horrible carry laws).
     
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    MakeMineaP99 Got SIG?

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    About the only thing Detroit has going for it is the auto show.
     
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    KSFreeman Broken Member

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    Are you in Midland? I go to Midland almost every month to see my teacher.

    Hey, don't worry, things in Michigan are getting better for our kind. Things were really terrible in places like Ohio or Texas and now look at the progress!

    Ohio has won, Michigan will win! Power to the gunnies!:thumbsup:
     
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    MakeMineaP99 Got SIG?

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    Kirk,

    I actually work for a Grand Rapids based company. I float between GR (rarely there, home office), Flint, and home (South Bend, IN area), when I'm not on the road for work.

    I'm currently in Flint which I believe is somewhat close to Midland, never been up that way.

    MI is improving, the bill to remove all pistol free zones (schools, bars) was introduced this year. It's progress even though it won't pass.
     
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    minuteman32 NRA & GOA Life

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    @ least you have a legislator w/ the balls to try to get something like that through! I can't seem to convince any IN legislator to take up the same cause (victim disarmament zones).
     
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    MakeMineaP99 Got SIG?

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    Minuteman,

    Not my legislators, I'm still an IN resident (in South Bend) and on my IN LTC in MI.

    I've alerted several MI people to write to there reps about the pistol free zone elimination bill. With the budget problems in MI, it doesn't seem like anything else is a priority, including gun (un)control.

    The one thing I will give MI is you can leave your firearm locked in a motor vehicle in a pistol free zone. Especially useful should you do business in pistol free zones (schools) often, which I believe you do.

    Also, should you "accidently" carry in a pistol free zone, the first offense is a civil infraction. In IN, get caught with a firearm on school property, unless dropping off/picking up your children, you're going away for a class D felony.
     
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    minuteman32 NRA & GOA Life

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    Exactly! I know we've gained a few things in the recent past (lifetime LTC's, Castle Law, state park & hunting carry) but we have lost so much since I 1st started carrying it makes me sick! (State Fair, schools, Statehouse, courthouses, etc.)
    I have my lifetime LTC here & I think we are going to have to start looking for someplace in UT/AZ/NV to move before too long.
     
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    MakeMineaP99 Got SIG?

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    The top two states on my list are NH and PA, hoping to be out of MI/IN in the next two years.
     
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    minuteman32 NRA & GOA Life

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    I like those, too, but I like warm (or maybe HOT) & dry, as does my wife.
     
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    epsylum Boolit Hoze

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    So much ignorance in such a short article. I hurts just to think about it.

    :supergrin:
     
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    StockGlock23 Hilarious!

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    I would like to get some resources and info (like a crude bibliography) so that I can write back in and say my peace. KSFreeman can you give me info where you got your statements? I would like to have sources to back up what I am saying.
     
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    I work with Kurt Barhydt at the Post Office.I usually see him at all the gun shows also.He showed me that article at work today and I just laughed.
     
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    It would be interesting to know when the common misconceptions regarding the militia in the 2nd Amendment started.

    Clearly the militia in the 2nd Amendment refers to NON-GOVERNMENT! The whole purpose of such a militia was (and is) to RESIST an oppressive government when necessary.

    When did the revisionist history specialists succeed in brainwashing the vast majority of the American public that "militia" is the army, the national guard, or the police?