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Gunless Society...In your dreams Nandy!

  1. I saw this sa Phil Pistol Forum

    ON TARGET
    We live in dangerous times


    By Ramon Tulfo
    Inquirer
    Last updated 04:42am (Mla time) 03/01/2007


    We live in dangerous times, but there’s nothing we can do about it.

    Two armed men barged into the home of an office executive in Project 8, Quezon City early morning last Friday.

    One of the executive’s sons ran to his parents’ room when he saw the two men coming in. Before he could enter his parents’ room, he was shot in the leg.

    The frightened son, 21, huddled with his parents inside the master bedroom.

    But the couple forgot about the younger son, 18, who was sleeping in his bedroom.

    The armed men fired shots inside the house. The couple and the elder son thought the shots were just meant to scare the house occupants.

    What they didn’t know was that the shots were fired at the younger boy.



    The housemaid, who was in the adjacent room, heard the cries for help of the 18-year-old boy.

    “Huwag po, maawa po kayo (Please don’t shoot, have mercy on me),” the maid quoted the boy appealing to the robbers to spare his life.

    The father wanted to come out to see if his other son was safe, but was prevented by his wife. There was no gun in the house.

    All the three could do was call 117, an emergency number equivalent to the US 911, while the gunmen were inside their home.

    The police arrived all right—after 30 minutes—long after the gunmen were gone.

    Had there been a gun in the house or if the police were quick in answering the call for help, do you think that tragedy would have taken place?

    I’m withholding the identity of the bereaved family at their request. I’m a friend of the father.

    But I’m asking the Quezon City Police District to find the robber-killers and bring them to justice.

    ***

    The tragedy at Project 8 is a commentary against “gunless society” advocacy and being overly dependent on the police for one’s protection.
    Let’s face it: When the government deprives good citizens of the right to protect themselves in their homes by not allowing them to own guns, the government tells the bad guys to have a party.

    Let’s face another reality: The police in this country are useless because they are either corrupt or incompetent.

    Many cops don’t even know how to handle a gun.

    An incompetent and corrupt police force, plus an incompetent and corrupt national leadership, equals chaos.

    ***

    While on the subject of guns, Philippine National Police Chief Oscar Calderon consistently refuses to issue this writer a permit to carry his pistol outside his home.

    I need a gun for my personal protection.
    I need a gun to carry around because I have gained enemies as a result of my acid pen.

    I need to protect myself from government officials and private individuals whom I have severely criticized in this column.

    This country is the most dangerous place for a journalist, second only to Iraq.

    What’s the matter, guys, you want to do me in without giving me a fighting chance?

    If that’s the case, then I might be forced to violate the law against carrying a gun without a permit.

    Survival is man’s primordial instinct.
    :sad:
     
  2. Where do proponents of gunless society live?

    If their domicile is either Greenmeadows, Acropolis, Valle Verde 1-6, Greenhills (N.E.W.S.), Forbes, Dasma etc., then "para silang nagtatago sa saya ng lola nila".

    They can espouse gunless citizenry locked-up in their perimeter-walled & blue-boys' heavily guarded serene homes.

    And maybe they shun away from nightlife. Be it plain business meeting or casual dinner with friends or maybe...maybe they DON'T quaff a single drop of alcohol into their healthy bellies at all in any of the watering holes in the metroplis. Ayaw nilang umuwi ng gabi na. Which is why-maybe they never have been so afraid to come home late at night. Hindi sila kinakabahan man lang...kasi they are in a peaceful environment.

    Let's invite them to habitate in a non-exclusive community. Siguro...siguro kapag napatira sila sa pinanggalingan kong lugar sa Tandang Sora..."ala eh, baka pumulupot sila" Siguro...siguro tatlo-tatlo BIBILHIN NILANG boomer (M4, Bazooka and Anti-aircraft)NGEE!!!

    Anyway, they are hooked to their cry. Let them. Who knows, baka gusto lang sumikat para may dahilang kumandidato.

    For me, ITULOY ANG PAGHIMAS AT PAGPAPA-KAWALA KAY DIANA & JOYCE.
     
  3. uhhh... Who are DIANA and JOYCE??? :)
     
  4. hwehehehehe! si diana yung open gun. si joyce yung glock 17 niya. si angelica ang soon to be standard pistol project! tama ba ko fafa pogi?
     
  5. c angelica ang mag hair transplant sa kanila ni mco :animlol: :animlol: :animlol: :animlol: :animlol:
     
  6. Hindi facial and body scrub? :rofl:
     
  7. magapapa "belo job" ba si pogi and mco??? :animlol:
     
  8. Hey, don't knock everyone who lives in exclusive villages, some of them own guns, and others like me, do intend to own guns and do believe in the God-given right to own and possess firearms for self defense.

    Its about one's beliefs, one's faith, in God, in God's Word, more than where one lives. But of course there are lots of scumbags in exclusive villages too.

    Now if i had the money, i would love to get an m4 carbine with a night vision scope.

    A m1 garand would be great too.
     
  9. He is not knocking down on everyone who lives in exclusive villages, only on the PROPONENTS OF GUNLESS SOCIETY who lives in exclusive villages.
     
  10. Ok so I can only understand about half of what ya'all right, but just tell them MOLON LABE my friends.....
     
  11. hell yeah!:thumbsup:
     
  12. MOLON LABE indeed.

    Anyone who tries to illegally confiscate my firearms will further
    get a more 'physical' example of the lakonic from me, at no extra charge
    (unless "+P" counts as such).


    h.
     
  13. Horge,
    Thanks for the edit. Mainit ako eh, kaya kung ano-ano tuloy lumalabas sa daliri ko habang ginagawa ko post.

    Vega,
    Thanks, too, I meant that.
     
  14. well, how about this! the other day our district director came to our headquarters with his men frisking policemen in civilian clothes to confiscate their guns. my batch mate an operative of anti-car napping, which supposedly in civilian attire during operations, confiscated his service pistol and for that matter was even relieved and re-assigned to precinct. :sad:
     
  15. hot ka ganun? at least sa daliri lumabas:animlol:

    belo job lang katapat niyan, lapit lang clinic sayo :supergrin:
     
  16. Psst!
    Balita ko malungkot daw ang buhay mo ngayon. Tawag ka lang...drink tayo! Pero 'yoko belo job-kay Jovit at Mco lang bagay yun.
     
  17. Hahaha, tama doc sumama ka na lang sa batangas bukas. :supergrin:
     
  18. He is my new best friend

    Larry Pratt - Guest Columnist
     
  19. I guess they live in several facilities that are being used to treat the mentally-ill. :animlol:

    Man, they should wake up to reality! They're living (or hiding) comfortably in their cocoons.
     
  20. I find Larry Pratt's reasoning very biased and flawed. He is citing isolated incidents of violence attributed to the Islamic faith and claiming that these violent tendencies infect at least 1% of the Muslim population in the US. This kind of writing breeds racism and bigotry. Although I am very much a proponent of an armed society, I believe we are just a s likely to be stabbed for our cellphone as be blown up for our faith.

    I believe in equal opportunity. My bullets are blind to race, creed, or religion!
     
  21. What the? I thought LEOs are suppose to watch out for each other. What kind of district director would do that to LEOs? Ibig sabihin pag election, halt lahat ng undercover operations? Gun ban na nga, hinto pa ang mga operations ng pulis! Paboritong panahon talaga ng kriminal at sindikato ang election period!! :brickwall:
     
  22. Amen. Larry Pratt's reasoning is yet another example of tolerated racism after 9/11. Before the attacks, the people the majority targeted and blamed for violence and crime were the Hispanics and the Blacks, but now the bullsye is painted on Muslims.

    He should also do a report on the attacks done by people like Timothy McVeigh and other Rightist (who is credited as being Roman Catholic - Source: http://www.nndb.com/people/936/000031843/) militia men on their own government to make it a balanced report!
     
  23. Gents, Larry maybe biased with his views against that religion.

    Ayaw ko talaga sana patulan itong issue na ito, pero PUNTA kayo rito kung nasaan kami nina Mikol at Toxic. Para ma-feel niyo gaano sila ka-warm at ka-pleaseant sa ating mga Pilipino at Christiano.

    Subukan niyo lang at kayo na ang magsabi or magkwento rito sa boards. SUBOK LANG.
     
  24. I might not have worked overseas in the Middle East as you and other members of the board have sir, but I have been around them and their families both here in the Philippines and the US.

    All I'm expressing is my opinion that to counter xenophobia with even more xenophobia/racism is a recipe for disaster.
     
  25. I'm more than familiar with the 'tender affections' with which
    many Muslims regard me and mine, just for my Christian faith.
    I'm STILL sure there are many more Muslims out there who are fine Filipinos,
    and that I just haven't had the chance to meet a single one of them
    in the past 40-plus years.

    Anyway, like Pratt's bias(es), it's all irrelevant in the crunch.
    When anyone's trying to harm me and mine, I can't give a rat's
    left testicle WHY they're doing it:

    "Becase I'm Catholic"; "because I have a nice cellphone"; ad absurdum.
    All that negative politics and socio-religious prejudice goes
    right out the window when you try to launch lead effectively.

    Maybe the same should apply to our posts here, 'di ba?
    :)
     
  26. http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/03/perspectives_sudden_jihad_synd.php

    The link above written by Larry Pratt lists about 15 incidences of "murders" committed by Muslims from l994 to 2007...Less than 2 people killed in a span of 14 years...After 9/11 US of A morphs into ala RSA but this time object of hate and despise is no longer the Afro-Americans thanks to MLK Jr. but the faithful of Allah...Pratt concludes that with these 15 incidences he identified, Muslims are going to run "amok" sooner or later...Does he(Pratt)bother to count how many more people of different faiths who ran also "amok" and killed scores, too.

    With what's happening around the globe; killings everyday...I'm beginning to think that what really evolved was the "Planet of the Apes"; only that we think we are "Humans"...Mass Delusion?

    Our world is getting crazier and crazier..."Whom the Gods wish to destroy, they first drive crazy"
     
  27. Well your right, naalala ko nga yung isang famous quote:

    "An eye for an eye, makes the world blind" Gandhi.

    My friend just got into a horrible and disastrous situation here with the religious police (Mutawa) who is the LAW of the LAND, and he had to give up his fat paycheck, invested things in his house (appliances) and gave up his financial backbone because the religious police here does not listen to arguments and his company is a rat's a%$^&. Kaya siguro easily irritated ako kaagad sa issue na ito.

    I did not mean to get into an argument with you Kaiser, pardon my heat.

     
  28. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. — Thomas Jefferson, American Declaration of Independence



    Fake Al Qaeda

    "Ana raicha Al Qaeda" is colloquial for "I'm going to the toilet". A very common and widespread use of the word “Al-Qaeda” in different Arab countries in the public language is for the toilet bowl. This name comes from the Arabic verb “Qa'ada” which mean “to sit”, pertinently, on the “Toilet Bowl”. In most Arabs homes there are two kinds of toilets: “Al-Qaeda” also called the "Hamam Franji" or foreign toilet, and "Hamam Arabi" or “Arab toilet” which is a hole in the ground. Lest we forget it, the potty used by small children is called "Ma Qa'adia" or "Little Qaeda".
    So, if you were forming a terrorist group, would you call yourself, "The Toilet"?

    http://www.serendipity.li/wtc7.htm]serendipity
     
  29. Sir Horge

    +1

     
  30. Oh yes, we call the flat one Sony, and the standard one panasonic.

    Fake Al Qaeda

    "Ana raicha Al Qaeda" is colloquial for "I'm going to the toilet". A very common and widespread use of the word “Al-Qaeda” in different Arab countries in the public language is for the toilet bowl. This name comes from the Arabic verb “Qa'ada” which mean “to sit”, pertinently, on the “Toilet Bowl”. In most Arabs homes there are two kinds of toilets: “Al-Qaeda” also called the "Hamam Franji" or foreign toilet, and "Hamam Arabi" or “Arab toilet” which is a hole in the ground. Lest we forget it, the potty used by small children is called "Ma Qa'adia" or "Little Qaeda".
    So, if you were forming a terrorist group, would you call yourself, "The Toilet"?
     
  31. No problem Sir Charlie! I'm sorry to hear about what happened to your friend. Maybe you can share more when you come back and pass by the shop.
     
  32. I don't know about ME but I worked in Northern Nigeria where Muslim faith is dominant. People are friendly whether you're Catholic, Buddhist or Muslim. It could be a race thing and not religion in the ME.
     
  33. Sure will do, amoy ng pulbura at recoil ang alam kong makakatanggal ng stress ko ngayon.

     
  34. oh ayan peace na..painit na kase sa Mideast and CX, man mainit din dito, arrived Thurs...linis and dry firing lang but lll be joining the PG's sa 24 Yihawwwwwwww..

    Back on the topic..Back to where i work marami rami na rin akong na experience along with other expats that no one of my closest friends and relatives believe has happened really make our blood boil( di ko na kwento baka maiyak lang ako):brickwall: ..we need the doe, they got the oil so look the other way na lang..Some people over their behave like angels in other countries but are like the devil themselves pag nakatyempo ka in thier oun turf some expats are unreasonable aswell, la naman kaming magawa home court advantage kunde:50cal: gawin ko slang pakain sa tilapia.

    I agree with Vega its not the religion but the race thing and how some people were brought up.

    We call it POST-JUDICE syndrome which iam still trying to recuperate from its the heat and all the BS we experience everyday working with SOME unbelievable individulais..CX your right Amoy lang ng gun powder ang pangtangal ng stress. pag uwi mo tangal yan..come to think of it malapit lapit na rin pala ko bumalik dyan:crying: but my wife will be with me pangngontra sa stress :supergrin:

    Ano na nga ba tong topic na to..para matawa naman kayo : "REMOTO sa Senado ".ayyy mali.
     
  35. back to topic - IIRC, pacheco's aim is to get guns out of the streets. keeping one within residence is ok for him, uhhh, i think.

    bakit nga ba sa TV arresting officers wear civilian clothes lang? iba naka tsinelas lang. is this really acceptable or may standard rule?
     
  36. Si Saki ang makakasagot nyan.. :supergrin:
     
  37. Nyaaarrrrkkkk...Danton Remoto is actually running for the Senate? Or a party list lang?

    He was a professor of mine at Ateneo, brilliant guy, but his alternative lifestyle and inate kakulitan made his classes a bit disconcerting for some of us.

    IS he also anti-gun like Nandy Pacheco?
     
  38. Baka undercover - you know, he was already under the covers when the other cops told him to come with them to do the arrest. Kaya naka-pambahay!:rofl:

    Binoy is right though, LEO's like Saki and Punisher should be able to clarify this to us...
     
  39. naisip ko lang because if the guy being arrested was a jumpy IPSC shooter, mababaril niya ang mga pulis because they do not identify themselves, unmarked yung car, and hindi naka uniform.

    hindi nga ba? just imagine you are in your car, parked. then you see a guy at your rear view mirror sneaking up behind your car. the guy is wearing a shirt and spartan slippers. what do you do?

    yeah :) i watch those saturday night local shows :) naiba lang yung isang episode sa ch7, all were wearing black SWAT uniforms. :)
     
  40. Toxivc pre, andyan ka na pala sa atin. Enjoy ang bilis ng oras diyan, Oo naman alam na alam ko yung istorya sa lugar mo lalo na against WOMEN, naku sobra sobra. Huwag na rito baka sabihin ng mods nag-tsismisan na tayo hehehe. Sarap niyan mga point of discussion pag-tambay sa SOE habang humihimas ng Halo2 hehehe
     
  41. Ya know, I only understand about half of what ya'all say, but it really makes me proud to see another country with a strong firearms community.
    From what I hear you guys have a lot of restrictions, but it seems to be better than most of Europe....

    Keep up the good fight :)
     
  42. :thumbsup:
     
  43. Pardon us for using our native language, it's a bit easier for us to express ourselves at times in our own tongue.