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Gun maker’s exploding rifle leaves trail of injured hunters

Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by JamesIra, Dec 5, 2017.

  1. TScottW99

    TScottW99 NRA Life Member

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    I never trusted a smokeless muzzleloader even though I love Savage rifles.
     
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    Yeah, same here. I've only recently tried some alternative propellant (Alliant's blackMZ), which hits the mark for ease of cleaning. I think was what they were mainly after using smokeless powder.
     
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    Wow, never heard of that issue before. I like Savage rifles, so I don't want to think they made an unsafe rifle.

    But with so many types of powerful smokeless powders, it would seem easy to overcharge.

    Don't know if the owners or the maker is to blame.
     
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    What did they go for new? Are they the Colt Python of muzzleloaders?

    I have a Traditions black powder
     
  6. TScottW99

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    I remember seeing them for $500. The laminated stainless one was always a good looking ML. A friend has used one for years but it always spooked me.
     
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  7. bdicki

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    You should always stick to the manufacturers recommended powders and loads. As I remember there are only a few, I don't have the data sheet with me. There are a lot of blown up guns out there that were using reloads.
    http://www.randywakeman.com/Favorite_Savage_10ML-II_Loads.htm
     
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    Sounds like people not loading them properly.
    Can't really blame the manufacturer for stupidity. You need to use the loads they recommend.
     
  9. wjv

    wjv Zip It Stan Lee.. . .

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    I can just see someone thinking: "A 45 grain charge worked great, but I bet a 55 grain charge would really pack a wallop". . . .

    Sorry, but I would assume operator error / misuse unless there was absolute evidence that the barrel/chamber does not meet the pressure limits.

    Pretty obvious that the author of the article hates gun companies. . .
     
  10. bdicki

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    The other muzzle loader company's put them down as dangerous from the beginning.
     
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    Dangerous that someone might overload them? Or something else?
     
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    Dangerous as you have a smokeless muzzle loader and we don't.
     
  13. tactical_turkey_thug

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    That's what I think. Too much room for careless error with smokeless. Wish I had bought one

    I remember reading that it was hard to get good accuracy because there were no sabots that could handle the velocity when they first came out
     
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    There was a cop in CA whose pre school age son reached forward in the car, removed the officer's Glock from a holster and shot him. Glock paid right before the trial was to start. So if you worry about lawsuits I guess buy an xd with a grip safety (like a child couldn't disengage that)
     
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    Like cartridge gun manufacturers warn against using reloads, that is one thing about BP guns. Every shot is a reload so to speak. No way to prove the load, how many times it had been used, the powder used (though forensically it may be possible), possible double charge, etc.
     
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    Y'know, technology is a wonderful thing. Makes our lives better, everyday. For example, polymer framed firearms. :)

    But I've always questioned the direction of "high technology primitive weapons". Kind of oxymoronic imo.

    When primitive weapon seasons were first introduced, BP firearms were 19th century and earlier replicas, or traditional and compound bows. Y'know, primitive as compared to smokeless powders and high velocity projectiles.

    Just never appealed to me the "Modern Black Powder" thing. In-line loading, pre-packaged sabot loads, variable scopes, etc. Just doesn't seem too primitive anymore.

    Rant over, will stay tuned to this story. Thanks for posting the link.
     
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    Maybe some should read the article and see what a few experts said about the rifle barrels...
    Just saying.
    Kinda like Remington and the trigger on I forget what model.
    :couch:
     
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    I read the article and it does seem like the whole Remington 700 thing. Special corporate resolution group, low key recalls, but...corporate paperwork gets em every time. Just takes a subpoena to get the ball rolling.