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Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by eccho, Mar 26, 2013.

  1. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Cosmopolitan Bias

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    I've asked him several times why he doesn't just order his ammo on the Internet. Everything's in stock somewhere. UPS delivers it to your door.

    He keeps ignoring the question. Dunno why.


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  2. Atlas

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    A mag-hord.
    (not to be confused with a "clip-hord" :cool: )


    For any gun I consider important, my minimum is 20 mags for a pistol. 30 feels better though.

    Now P-mags (I prefer the 20-round mags) for the AR....
    30 doesn't come near the minimum threshold.

    "Enough" for a lifetime? I prefer more than enough. Then I can go on to focus on other matters.

    Again, many seem to be comfortable with the belief that some retail or online source will always have them available if/when you need more..

    To those folks I say more power to ya, I don't chose to take the chance on that. Some things matter... greatly.


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  3. Atlas

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    Uh huh..
     
  4. Khao

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    If you must know, I buy 90% of my ammo online. Does that mean I'm not allowed to get upset when I see shooters taking advantage of other shooters? You're shameless.

    The GT gestapo strikes again.
     
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  5. racerford

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    It seems some of the capitalist on here are missing a few key points. Capitalism and free markets are efficient at resource distribution and work when they are free markets and meet certain criteria. There is much more to successful capitalism and free markets than willing buyer willing seller.

    There needs to be perfect information to the whole market. It is not a free market when only a few participants have certain key information. That's why they have insider trading laws. That way some participant don't get screwed because withholds information to their benefit. Without perfect information their are not efficient free markets.

    When there is a monopoly, there is not a free market and they are not efficient.

    When there are high barriers to entry, there are not free markets. Those that are clamoring for capitalism and free markets, are you in favor of patents?

    When the market is thinly traded, and a few (relatively speaking) players can move the market or gain control of the supply there are not free markets. Does anybody remember the Hunt Brothers of 1979 and 1980 and their silver exploits?

    Manipulating the market is very destructive to the efficient function of free markets and capitalism. It creates false demand and supply signals. It is short term beneficial to a few people and long term damaging to the market to the product. It can easily bankrupt manufacturers that expand production on false signals, and then the market collapses when the manipulators can no longer maintain the false demand signal (they can't keep buying all the production making others think there is a short supply). Then the market price collapses and the manufacturers cannot repay loans or get insufficient return on the investment and back away from the market. Then there is a real shortage of supply after the glut is cleared. The real consumers of the product and the manufacturers are ultimately the ones damaged by the market manipulation. That is not free enterprise.
     
  6. DanaT

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    Those are the ranges I have been buying to. So I am not insane (OK, that is debatable...but not because of magazines)
     
  7. Bruce M

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    :cheers:

    I am presuming that you know that your sentence that precipitated this goes way beyond signagture-worthy, and is in the same range as some of the most memorable single sentences in movies or phrases in advertising. In the right movie or commercial I believe that could be in the "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn/Where's the beef?/Go Ahead. Make my Day" range of memorables. :cheers:
    I disagree. I am guessing more than a few of the people selling like these prices.



    If someone could weave chemtrails, a couple MRAPs, and that 1.6 Quadrillion rounds of ammunition, this might even seem better...
     
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    So it is Khao wanting cheap ammo send false signals that will bankrupt ammo companies.
     
  9. Khao

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    Are you an ammo scalper?

    If you're going to **** me... at least have the courtesy to give the reacharound.
     
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    Why, so you'll feel good?
     
  11. Atlas

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    You continue to use phrases like "take advantage of", as if it were a definitive. That phrase is simply your emotional subjective opinion. You're entitled to it of course, but don't mistake it for objective fact and don't expect everyone else to do so.

    I get that you feel we should all just take care of each other, but the world just doesn't work that way.


    The essence of a free market though (and I'm not going to rely on the term "capitalism") is that people acting in their own interest creates greater material wealth for everyone.

    Yeah, sometimes it's a little cold, but how else would you really, realistically expect it to work?

    Go ahead, call me a heartless bastard also, but the free market economic system created the United States, and took us from a wilderness frontier to the wealthiest nation in history in the blink of an eye, historically speaking.

    The laws that govern basic economics are a subset of the laws of human nature. That is why they work as they do.
    And yes, human nature is selfish. It has always been thus and will never change. Attempting to act counter to those economic laws in the marketplace will benefit no one. Ever.

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    What a sad world exists in that head of yours. The way you put it, you would think we never climbed out of the slime and worked towards a common good (civilization). We're all animals, let's act as such. Good idea.:whistling:

    Look out for numero uno, **** everyone else.


    I don't think you're heartless, in the same way I don't think certifiedfunds is. I refuse to believe you are all that selfish.... it will depress me.
     
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    You don't do anything out of your own self-interest?
     
  14. Bruce M

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    At some point in time some ammunition may be a matter of life or death for a few people. But for the vast majority of the few of us who may regrettably find ourselves in that position, probably whatever ammunition we can hold in one hand will be sufficient.
    I do wonder if someone had a friend go to Walmart for them to get a couple boxes of ammunition, would it be appropriate to offer the guy a few dollars for gasoline, or pay a couple dollars over the retail price for his time? If so where is the line between how much extra is appropriate and how much past that is immoral?
     
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  15. Atlas

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    Well tell us please...
    In your understanding what enabled us to crawl out of that slime?


    And please tell me this:
    Have you ever created a product and taken it to market?
     
  16. certifiedfunds

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    We have a little communist here. I don't think he realizes it though.
     
  17. certifiedfunds

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    There is no morality involved. The two men are engaging in commerce on their own terms, freely.
     
  18. Khao

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    Irrigation and farming. Not to mention a highly developed frontal lobe.

    No I haven't.
     
  19. Khao

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    I've read Marx, Engels, Trotsky, Lenin. I share nothing in common with them. The sad thing with extremists is, those two extremes are the only thing that exist in their head. There is no middle ground with them.

    The rest of us look on at you, with the same kind of morbid curiosity you get when witnessing a trainwreck.
     
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  20. certifiedfunds

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