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GSSF Indoor League--Anyone know what's going on?

Discussion in 'GSSF' started by JohnKSa, Oct 10, 2011.

  1. JohnKSa

    JohnKSa

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    The local range that had GSSF matches stopped holding the matches for a couple of years and about the same time that they stopped (2009), GSSF apparently lost a lot its Indoor League records--at least they dropped off the GSSF webpage. In addition, the number of ranges participating in the program seemed to drop dramatically about that same time. All of that suggests that it probably wasn't merely a local issue with my particular range. I tried, at the time, to find out what was going on and, oddly enough, nobody I contacted seemed to have anything useful to contribute.

    Then, this year, after a couple year hiatus, the local range started up the indoor league matches again. I also noticed that, based on the GSSF Indoor league schedule on the GSSF website, the participation seemed to be picking back up again with more locations holding the matches--though not as many as had before whatever happened a couple of years ago happened.

    But the other day, I went online to check GSSF and noticed that my local range is no longer listed on the GSSF Indoor League schedule and that the schedule is currently far more sparse overall than it it was a month or so ago. Again, it looks like something is going on other than just some issue at my local range.

    So what's the deal? Does anyone know what's going on with the GSSF Indoor League matches? It appears that something is going on from Glock's end. Does anyone have any insight?

    Is GSSF trying to phase out the Indoor League matches? If so, why not just come out and say so. If they're having problem supporting them or feel they need to make fundamental changes, again, why not just say so and come out with a statement indicating what they plan to do.

    My understanding is that the GSSF Indoor League was conceived to help support and promote Glock Dealers who run indoor ranges, to promote Glock firearms and as a benefit to Glock owners who wish to compete. If that's really the point of the program, then it makes sense to get things figured out and try to keep some semblance of a relatively stable schedule for the sake of the parties that this program is meant to benefit.

    I've tried to get others interested in the program lately but it's really hard to "sell" something like this to new participants given the apparent state of flux that the program seems to be experiencing.

    Just a shot in the dark, to see if anyone can shed a little light... Or perhaps, more accurately, to see if anyone who can shed a little light is actually willing to do so.
     
  2. DannyR

    DannyR Moderator Millennium Member

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    2010 was a record year for the GSSF Indoor League, and it looks like 2011 will shatter that record. My local range has sponsored four series (12 shoots) during the last 12 months. Next closest indoor range, 60 miles away, has done the same. Average attendance at both ranges has been 35 entries per shoot. That is pretty darn good for SW Virginia. Both ranges have already established dates for the Winter series but have not yet submitted contracts.

    Matches are dropped from the schedule after a series has been completed. If there is any problem, it is at a local level and not with GSSF. Ranges must pay a fee to host a GSSF series, and a lot of ranges are afraid to make that investment. It's up to the local range to initiate contact with GSSF.
     
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    ede Bama's Friend

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    We had one range back about 2007 screw up running the indoor matches and screwed up scores that GSSF dropped them. GSSF also gave awards to every shooter who shot in the series.
     
  4. MrSmoofy

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    So Danny what can I do to get local ranges to start indoor shoots here. Thankfully we have the St. Pete match this year but having to travel 2+ hours for any other match is a bit much I'd like to see more matches both indoor and outdoor and would be willing to help get that going anyway I can.
     
  5. DannyR

    DannyR Moderator Millennium Member

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    Chris,

    E-mail sent.
     
  6. PM720

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    We have had 38 different shooters at our indoor series at the LAX range, 30 in the first match & 26 in the second. Seems OK to me. I am having a literal blast in this series!

    Scott
     
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    I'm new to this type of hobby and at times my questions will seem very stupid. Do you have to shoot in two entries to be in the running for a gun?

    Could I ask what to expect when I come to a GSSF indoor shoot?




     
  8. DannyR

    DannyR Moderator Millennium Member

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    Mark,

    You have to shoot one pistol in two of the three events to be eligible for the pistol drawings. Exceptions are sometimes made due to travel distance. It's a local decision. If you cannot make the 200 mile round trip more that once, I'll work with you. You can expect great fellowship, assistance and a lot of fun. The course of fire I use in Roanoke is:

    10 shots @ 3 yards--15 second allowance
    10 shots @ 7 yards--15 second allowance
    5 shots @ 7 yards--15 second allowance

    Change Targets

    5 shots @ 15 yards--15 second allowance
    10 shots @ 15 yards--15 second allowance
    10 shots @ 25 yards--30 second allowance

    Perfect score is 500 with 50 X's. X-ring is 4in, 10-Ring is 8in.
     
  9. rpgman

    rpgman SCGLOCK

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    I wish my city even had one indoor range. :crying:
     
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    Danny,

    I guess the ranges are free to run them as they wish? We have been using 1 target and the following shots.

    10/ 12'
    10/ 21'
    10/ 50'
    10/ 75'
    5/ 21'
    5/ 50'

    Same results in the end I guess.

    Scott
     
  11. BamaTrooper

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    Which target?
     
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    I wish they had the indoor shoots around here!
     
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    ron59 Bustin Caps

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    Two separate D1 targets are used, I guess to make scoring easier?

    You are given two targets when it's your turn to shoot. You use the first for a few of the strings, then you take that one down and use the other target for the remainder of the strings.
     
  14. Mas Ayoob

    Mas Ayoob KoolAidAntidote Moderator

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    Danny, can the "indoor" course of fire still be run on an outdoor range?

    Thanks,
    Mas
     
  15. DannyR

    DannyR Moderator Millennium Member

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    Heavy paper D-1's are used indoors. I don't see why the same course of fire could not be used outdoors.

    Scoring a target with 25 holes is easier than scoring a target with 50 holes.:whistling:
     
  16. JohnKSa

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    The match was definitely on the GSSF schedule earlier in the year but it has now been dropped from the GSSF website. The series has not been completed--it hasn't even started yet.

    The local gun club still shows the match dates on their website and a call to them today indicates that is not an error--they ARE going to hold the matches as scheduled and as previously reported on the GSSF website.

    This local gun club involved has held numerous GSSF indoor league series over the years and they just concluded a series last month. So there's no question about them being willing to make the investment and no question about their understanding how to deal with GSSF.

    So at least with regard to this particular issue, the local gun club is clearly not the problem.

    Now, I can't claim that I make copies of the league schedule off the GSSF website for comparison, but it definitely seems to me that the overall league schedule is noticeably more abbreviated than it was earlier in the year. While it's true that matches drop off the schedule as they're completed, traditionally the ranges that participate schedule new matches to take the place of the matches that have been completed. That holds the overall participation level (and the length of the schedule) fairly constant unless something happens to change how willing the local clubs are to participate in the program.

    Look, I'm not trying to stir anything up, I just want to know what's going on. Last time the GSSF website started having issues with their indoor league match schedule and results page, it took a significant amount of time for things to get back to normal and I'm just trying to find out if we're looking at a repeat of that situation.
    It also makes the course of fire more challenging. The second D1 is first used at the longest range which means you can't see the faint scoring rings on the target nor can you use your previous bullet holes as an aiming point. You have to have a pretty good feel for where the center of the target is.
     
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