Greyhound to stop allowing immigration checks on buses

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  1. ReaPer105

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    Yeh? Drive thru a checkpoint and tell them they can't search your car. Let us know how that went for you.
    This is ridiculous.
     
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    A request by any local, state or federal LEO to show ID is indeed lawful. Refusal of said request can lead to charges or getting jammed up. It is well known illegals take the bus from border towns so there’s probable cause.
     
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  3. PennsWoods

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    Hold on...

    A request to show ID under what circumstance? Sure if you commit a traffic violation, or law enforcement has reasonable suspicion that you committed a traffic or criminal violation, then you may be required by law to identify yourself. But Joe Schmo riding a bus doing nothing but minding his own business?

    And probable cause? What's your probable cause than any particular person on that bus is an illegal immigrant?
     
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    I said a request to show id not an order. A request can be refused. As for probable cause please read the last part of my post. It’s the same thing as if someone is seen leaving a known drug house at 3 in the morning. There’s nothing wrong with a “stop and talk” and to see where that may lead.

    Many times when a person asks the question “am I free to leave?” The answer is yes but a lot of people change that to being detained by giving elusive answers to simple questions.
     
  5. PennsWoods

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    You said it was a request yet then said refusing will lead to charges so not much of a request that they're free to refuse.

    Except they didnt just leave a known drug house, they boarded a Greyhound bus, and in this case happened to be within 100 miles of the border. I missed the part of training where initiating a stop on a bus full of people for a "stop and talk" because maybe one of the occupants might be illegal (and we dont even know which one) is constitutional.

    Let me change this for you to bring it around.

    ATF is now doing stops on cars with NRA bumper stickers to check if people have valid carry permits. Sound good to everyone here?
     
  6. Vic777

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    can you check immigrants/passengers on the bus for Coronavirus?
     
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  7. HJB

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    That is correct. And it is indeed lawful to tell them to "shove it" too. You are not required to show ID and not doing so is not a crime if you are not doing, or have done, or about to do anything illegal
     
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    How do you know which ones are immigrants and which ones are just passengers ?

    And the answer is "no"
     
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    No sir. I said refusal CAN lead to charges not WILL. It all depends on how the person being asked decides to play it out.
     
  10. Ramjet38

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    Cash paying customers you want to protect.
     
  11. Grabbrass

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    Are you suggesting a charter bus on the highway is due the same expectation of privacy as the interior of a citizen's home??
     
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    Someone please tell me just exactly how this works, or they think it will work. I don't think ICE, Homeland Security, State Police, County Sheriff's, or even local police will spend much time asking permission to enforce the law.
     
  13. ottomatic

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    The 5th amendment right only applies after you have been arrested.
     
  14. HJB

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    Not true...

    "What to Say to Invoke the Right to Silence
    A 2013 Supreme Court decision raises weighty questions, such as whether it’s reasonable to place the onus of asserting constitutional rights on everyday people, most of whom have never cracked the spine of a criminal procedure or constitutional law book. The more practical question is what, exactly, an out-of-custody person must say to inquisitive police officers in order to effectively claim the right to silence. Courts have indicated that they should make clear that they are invoking their Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination. "
     
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  15. Taz

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    Yes, its technically private property. Same as your car/van full of people. Greyhound is a private company and therefore their property is private. They are NOT a public conveyance like the city bus. At a point of entry its a different story, but anywhere along the road they are no different than a private vehicle.

    People get their panties in a bunch all the time about having BP stop them miles aways from the border and asking questions cause muh 4th amendment should be upset here are well so long as they aren't hypocrites.

    With that stated, PC/RS should be easy to establish. Thousands of illegals cross the border each day, so how hard is it to say we believe illegals have entered the area and need to check ID's for passengers?

    Does Greyhound have any federal grants, licenses and such that have terms in them that requires cooperation with federal LEO.
     
  16. Grabbrass

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    Big nope. Compared to a citizen’s home, a lower expectation of privacy exists for occupants of a motor vehicle on public roads. Been that way for almost 100 years.
     
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    But I don't think "expectation of privacy" is germane to the subject under discussion is it ?
     
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    Slippery slope IMHO. Simple solution is BP parks in the parking lot of the bus station and do their thing from there. The bus station parking lot is "Private Property, commonly open to the public" like a shopping center, so Greyhound is probably SOL with making a issue of it.
     
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    All they have to do is stay off public roads. Private company, yes. Public transportation for hire on a public road, and someone smarter than me will have to chime in. The rules differ on this from private property for personal use.