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Glad see this thread. Recently bought a glock 23 G4. I plan to use it for the house and limited concealed Carry.

I was planning on mounting Crimson Trace Railmaster Pro. I couldn't decide on red or green laser.

It will more or less replace my Ruger SR9c with Crimson trace laserguard.
 

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I think Mike-M's post was spot-on ( pun intended)...I have been a staunch advocate for CTC Lasers for about a decade now...I advise my CHL folks that every household should have a laser equipped platform...one of the often unspoken benefits is the "training" component. Using a laser during dry-fire practice is an economic, invaluable aid to developing a better trigger press. Now, with the availability of the green modules, for a modest increase in cost, [they] are my recommendation.
And, I cannot say enough about CTC...125% customer support!
 

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I am thinking about adding a laser to my G19 & see quite a bit of good info on brands & models, but I was wondering in general, what color laser works best for all around use? Thanks in advance.
Understand most of these lasers will not help you outdoors in the sunlight. Some say the green is easier to see in the daylight. I haven't found that much difference. And, the brochures will show a red beam (line) from the pistol to the target. Not so! There's no beam so there's only the dot on the perps chest. He'll never know its there. If you feel your life is in danger put it in
his eyes! Yes, a liberal will say a laser can injure one's eyes. So what! So will a bullet ruin his
life, you hope. He'll notice that laser in his eyes instantly and that may be just enough to
persuade him to go away.
I don't care for lasers that hang on the pistol. I have a G43 with the LaserMax Guide Rod Laser installed. Nothing hangs on the pistol and there's no adjusting required since the laser is coming our where the end of the original guide rod showed below the muzzle. I keep the G43 in a sticky mount next to my recliner. I don't pack it. I EDC a Shield sands a laser or my Sig P320 Compact. I do have a hanging weapon light/ laser (Hanging) on the Sig in a sticky mount on
my bed. When packing I remove the weapon light/laser. In short, I only have a laser for inside.
The laser will instantly allow exactly where the bullet will hit. So, I believe in a laser indoors or
in subdued light. In total darkness you may not be able to see your target. That's when a weapon light comes into play. No weapon light? One of several 700 to 900 LED flash lights
in you off hand will do nicely. These will blind the target.
G'luck in your quest.
Stay safe
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Um, what does the position of the laser dot after firing have to do with anything? Properly set for x range, the front sight and laser dot are in alignment, in a fixed, mechanically held position, sharing the same point of impact. After the pistol is fired, due to recoil forces, the laser dot moves up expotentially higher from the target than the front sight due to it's greater distance from the muzzle (picture a 30°/60°/90° triangle laid on it's side); recoil then diminishes, allowing both the front sight and laser to then move down in the reverse direction, still in alignment, and ready to utilize while aiming at the target for any successive shots - as they were before.

Am I missing something?
No, you're not missing anything. If you are rapid firing youare not actually waiting to reacquire a front sight picture, you are squeezing off the next round as soon as you "feel" you are back on target. If you're firing slowly enough to reacquire a front sight picture you could also reacquire the red dot.
 

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I have a red railmaster on my 30s and it works just fine for what I'm asking it to do. Its not for shooting during the day at the range. It's for at night, under pressure, just after waking up to help me put the gun on target. For that I think it works great and it may allow my wife, who doesn't shoot much, a chance to successfully defend herself if need be.
 

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Lasers are gimmicks. Learn to find your front sight. It is faster. Think about how far a laser will move during recoil versus the front sight.
Somewhat, but as I get older I'm toying with the idea of using them. Even at the range it's a ***** because without readers I can clearly see the target but the sights are blurry. With readers I can see the sights good but the target is blurry. I've tried lasers a few times and it makes my range visits more enjoyable. I'm no secret squirrel operative and the chance of being in a defensive situation is slim so I might as well enjoy myself at the range. I have two Crimson Trace lasers, one for Clock gen four 19 -23, and one for M&P 9c-40c but they are for the grip and that bugs me for some reason. How do the guide rod lasers work? Are they pretty reliable? Do they ever effect the guns reliability? I'm a big fan of keeping the internals stock in my Glocks.
 

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I love my Rail Master pro red laser, very accurate for me just point and shoot, and stays in place although I check the light laser and secure attachment frequently. But.....for some reason I just go through the Cr2 batteries more than I like.
 

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I am thinking about adding a laser to my G19 & see quite a bit of good info on brands & models, but I was wondering in general, what color laser works best for all around use? Thanks in advance.
I'm awaiting the green CT for a Glock 42! I researched hell out of the red/green choice and am confident that the green will provide quicker visual attainment than the red under a variety of environments. It better for two hundred and serious change.

And for the people who say that a laser is a gimmick, fad, unreliable......I had the red CT on my LCP, and once minor adjustments were applied I became very accurate using the laser with that little spitfire.
 

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Inside, both work, but if the ambient light is bright, the green really excels! I prefer green, but they are more expensive.

I would love to hear feedback from those who tactically train, but the one thing I do notice is that on light colored walls at night, the green does impact your night vision far more than the red does. Red is a great color for retaining your good night vision (ask astronomers!). The green may have a bit of a disadvantage in that regard.
I found it interesting "Red is a great color for retaining your good night vision". Why? During
World War Two those submarines (all sides) spent nights on the surface and before surfacing
all lights inside submarines turned on all red lights inside for a period of time before surfacing and as soon as the sub surfaced essential officers and enlisted watch sailors went top side.
So, not just astronomers are aware of this.
Good discussion on color of lasers. Personally I have laser with both red and green and in
bright daylight (and ouf sunlight is very bright here in the desert) I haven't found my green
lasers that much better than the red. Maybe something larger than a small dot may show
green superior.
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I am thinking about adding a laser to my G19 & see quite a bit of good info on brands & models, but I was wondering in general, what color laser works best for all around use? Thanks in advance.
I have lasers on several of my pistols, some green and some red. I've found LaserMax Guide Rod Lasers exceptonal. They're available for some Glock pistols. (My G43 has one) The factory guide rod is replaced with the LaserMax guide rod so no adjustment is required and can't really come out of adjustment. Also, the take down lever is replaced (used to activate the laser) so you wind up with an extended take down lever to boot. Straight forward install procedure.
Good luck in your quest.
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I just found this picture.
Unless there is smoke, humidity, dust, etc in the air you can't see the Red laser at night.

This us why I don't have Green lasers on my (after dark) defense guns.



I do have several Green lasers on guns I like to practice (laser shooting) during the day, and the G19 I leave in my car.

Today was the first time in about a week I didn't shoot using a laser equipped gun. Today I shot a SIG P938 using iron sights.
 

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Yes, the laser dot. Say during recoil the front sight moves 3 inches. The laser dot is going to move a lot more than 3 inches. Also, a front sight is easier to find initially than a laser dot.
Wrong.

I have put the timer on it.
Using any sight set up , night sights, hand held flashlight, etc, then using the laser equipped gun, the laser shooter will put 1 to 3 ACCURATE hits on the target before the first (inaccurate) shot from iron sights.

I've had ladies on their first time shooting at my place and on their 4th, 5th and 6th magazine, in total darkness, fast firing at 4 spaced out steel plates, from about 8 yards, using a laser/light equipped pistol. I've counted ONE MISS in 12 magazines.
These were ladies that never before shot a gun.

I doubt that many shooters that have been shooting for a little while could do that using iron sights.

If you can see it in low light, you can hit it.

By the time I shot the 40 yard target it was so dark the target was a blur.


And while the iron sight shooter is looking for the front sight the laser shooter, in some cases, doesn't even have to bring the gun up to eye level. :)






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In the sudden action typical of most encounters, neither you or the bad guy will see the laser

If you have time, heck yeah, a laser speaks a warning that is understood in all languages

Also have the CT rail mount green, no complaints ... easy to see even in bright Sun, and the activation lever naturally meets up to your trigger finger.

A grip mounted / hand-squeeze activated laser would be best thou IMO
 
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A front sight is easier to find. This is not even debatable. At most a front sight is three feet in front of you compared to however far the threat is with a laser. If the threat is less than three feet away you're not using sights nor a laser.
 

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As mentioned, the human eye sees more shades of green then any other color. It's said to trace back to the early humans need to see predators and prey...back to the topic I prefer green lasers, there is plenty of data about what is better in what situation. My opinion is if you can handle a laser in both colors, and invest in what you prefer. It may seem like backward thinking, but when I'm looking into a new piece of equipment; I'll ask for others personal opinions but ignore established data when pushed at me. What works well for John, Mike and Larry...may be the worst possible option for you. It's like buying a carry gun, if it doesn't fit your had you probably won't carry it. I wish you the best of luck in your search Happy hunting!
 

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As mentioned, the human eye sees more shades of green then any other color. It's said to trace back to the early humans need to see predators and prey...back to the topic I prefer green lasers, there is plenty of data about what is better in what situation.
It's interesting that the people that know, claim the Green and Red lasers are the same "brightness". They claim the Green appears brighter to your eyes.

But when I light them side by side I could bet the farm the Green is way "brighter".


From Crimson Trace.

"WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A RED LASER AND A GREEN LASER?
A red laser is highly visible in low light. The output peak for both lasers is the same yet the human eye naturally detects the color green, hence the green laser appearing brighter in natural bright day light. Both the green and red laser Crimson Trace produces emit the maximum output allowed by law – a Class 3R laser."
 
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