Well I had decided that I would go ahead and buy a new press. I wanted to add a second press and after much debate, a thread by C4W and some poking form Jack I did it. (I could not let allow jack to keep picking on flatlanders for being indecisive.) I went to set up my new 650 and found my bench would not work. I needed a 3/4" over hang and did not have it. Then I took a good look at my bench and decided it had to be redone. I sent a message to C4W who agreed and gave me some great ideas and suggestions. Thank you Steve. The bench as it was Friday night. :embarassed: I rebuilt the bench and got it up in running in short order. The place was really a mess and still has a bit more to go. Today loading 45acp. It was a busy weekend with a lot of other things going on. As such it is a work in progress. As for the press I have loaded 400 rounds or so today and I am very happy with it. Set up was easy, the press was ordered set up for 45acp and without dies. I inspected it as per the instructions and all the parts were correct and properly adjusted. I basically only had to add my dies. I removed the powder measure and dies from my 550 and moved them over. This was where I had some minor issues. I will say adjusting and setting up dies on the 550 is easier, the auto-indexing on the 650 can be a pain compared to the 550. I found the loading process very simple and fast. I had a few simple issues. I missed a 40 case in my sorting and it got stuck in a 45 causing the case not to feed. My fault. I had a case get stuck in the feeder blocking the wheel that rotates. I noticed I had not heard any noise looked up and could see the empty tube and the problem. I had 1 case feed up side down. As soon as I moved the arm forward/down I felt something was wrong and spotted the problem. I had 1 small primer 45 case get past me and that was spotted in priming. I pulled it out and tested the ramp for unused primers. I did not worry about speed at all. So much is going on at once I was trying to learn where to look and what to watch, how it all worked together. I did take notice in the time I went through a full primer tube (100 primers) only 3 songs on the country station had played, so call it 12 minutes probably less. At the end of 400 rounds I had a few questions and I am sure unclebob will help me out. But all in all I am very happy with it and fairly comfortable with it's use. I did at first regret not getting the powder check, but in the end I feel a little better without it then before. I still may add it. I do not think the 650 is a good first press, but that is MHO. A lot of stuff to watch and you may be better served going to it from another progressive. Again JMHO. I wonder how you 650 guys end off a session? On the 550 I would run it out of primers, dump my powder and call it a day. Is there an easy way to stop the indexing? How about the case feeder? I know you can turn it off, but with a full tube if you have a problem can you stop it?