Good M4 5.56 Round For Home Defense

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  1. Flikster

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    I guess if you want to be rude and call my post BS, I'll point out you're an idiot and should try Google.
     
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  2. MrGlock21

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    Winchester Ranger 55gr pointed soft point.
    I knew that LEO was using that 10 years ago, so I bought a bunch of it then.
     
  3. Joshhtn

    Joshhtn The eBay Guy Gold Member

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    You're not supposed to eat/taste the lead....
     
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    IMI is the only one of those I would believe to be spec M193.
     
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    Just bought a case a couple months ago. Federal. That's what the box says. :dunno:

    federal M193.png
     
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    I believe this load is equivalent to M193:

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  7. pblanc

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    My understanding, based purely on what has been posted on other forums is that the Winchester Q3131 produced prior to 2000, when Winchester/Olin had license to operate the Lake City munitions plant, is essentially M193 with a different head stamp.

    Winchester Q3131A produced since that time is actually made by IMI in Israel, and is essentially equivalent of IMI M193.

    I have read that during the last year that Winchester/Olin operated the Lake City plant (1999), there was some inconsistency in the powder used to charge the Q3131 cartridges. Apart from that, I think the general consensus is that either the Q3131 or the Q3131A is pretty good stuff, so far as 55 grain, 5.56 FMJ M193 clones are concerned.
     
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    I've seen all but the South African and Ruag Swiss. That's why it's so easy for me to realize how ignorant you are on the topic.

    I left off the MEN "56gr" M193. I've seen it in real life as well.

    https://www.targetsportsusa.com/magtech-men-556-nato-ammo-55-gr-fmj-men556a-p-58981.aspx
     
  11. 0311INF

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    Take the catfight to arfcom where it belongs
     
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  12. George Kaplan

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    Or at least to Caliber Corner where someone will introduce hydrostatic shock, tell you the .357 SIG is more effective, and the 5.56 is obsolete.
     
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    Wait, I like .357 Sig, for a "car gun" caliber. I trust it to go through stuff like auto glass and carry a little more oomph terminally.
     
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    More Caliber Corner mumbo-jumbo. Terminal oomph? Really?
     
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    All of the tests I’ve seen show the 9mm to penetrate about as well and the .40 does better. Unless you’re talking fmj’s for SD.
    You got any data that shows otherwise?


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    Would Winchester Q3131 be considered M193 ammo?

    :cool:
     
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    Federal Fusion .223. The MSR stuff has 5.56 velocity, non-MSR has lower velocity. Each has the velocity of the other printed on the box, for some reason they haven't fixed that mistake since they released it.
     
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    I have rifles loaded with 75g TAP, 64g Gold Dot, 55g Federal Bonded JSP, 62g M855, and 55g XM193.

    Other than the <55g Varmint rounds, I don’t think there is really a bad round in .223 for SD. Just some rounds betters than other in certain applications.
     
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  19. Joshhtn

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    This is exactly how I see it.
     
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