I know that we're harping the topic of starter bikes to death, but here are a couple of things I've observed just very recently. I've already posted this before but I'll post again. This kid crashed his Yamaha crotch rocket during the Memorial Day Weekend. Sore and rashed knee but luckily nothing broken. Cracked fender and broken footpeg. No serious frame damages. All of this from maybe a 10-mph crash (if that) in an uphill curve. It's a challenging canyon road, but at the pace we were going, the MSF basic riding course had harder turns. His motorcycling experience? Two months. We went riding again yesterday 14 JUN 05. A very easy group ride in remembrance of a fallen rider who got killed when a car ran a stop sign and hit him. This kid showed up with a brand stanking new Yamaha R6 (I haven't had the chance to download the crashed photos yet) with tires that weren't even broken in (40-miles on the bike). Guess what? He crashed again, but thank goodness it was another slow speed crash and the fairing wasn't cracked but barely scratched. He had on a helmet (Cali law), a leather jacket, denim pants (but at least with kneecups), some sort of boot BUT NO GLOVES. No bodily injury this time and others were observing him to see that he was very erratic with the throttle. Of course, it's 100% his fault, but the point I'm trying to make is that the crotch rocket probably didn't help. Maybe with the super light weight of a 250-cc, he could have managed the curve a bit better. Maybe with a less twitchy throttle that doesn't send the bike rocketing forward, he could have managed the curve a bit better. On Saturday, same area, one of my friend took his buddy out for a ride. His buddy is another novice who went out and got a Honda CBR 600. The guy didn't dump his bike but stalled out while negotiating the same road at low speed and was extremely erratic. I've seen chopper riders with passengers on the back negotiating the same curve. So, riding at a prudent pace is entirely feasible at this section of curves. So, with all my ramblings, what am I trying to say? I want to say that just because you're buying the best handling, best superbad bike, it doesn't make you into a good rider. If anything, it hinders your ability to learn because you're riding a bike that requires a lot of attentions and inputs. I gotta talk with this R6 kid before he kills himself off. And I urged my friend to give his buddy the same talk. Enough said. People aren't impressed with you just because you have an inflated opinion about your riding skills. They laugh when you bite it on the road. Be safe, be cautious, be prudent. You can't crash fast enough.