It looks like someone is on the fast track to a stay at Club Fed.

 

It's a murky area. The belief in "Once a rifle, always a rifle", which is not an ATF position, is based on the ATF position "Once a machine-gun, always a machine-gun". You cannot, for example, weld the sear holes on an M16 and end up with anything other than a machine-gun in ATF's eyes. You can turn a rifle into an SBR (still a rifle), or into an AOW, but not into a pistol. When it is an AOW, it's no longer a rifle.

The Thompson-Center decision would be helpful when defending the conversion of the Glock 16" barrel "rifle" back to a pistol. The fact that the Glock was made as a pistol is key.

The constructive intent danger is present, and vague. I'd argue that there are 1,000 non-SOT LGS's around the US with parts that can be combined to create SBRs, why are they not charged with illegal making due to constructive intent?

So are we thinking about a federal agent opening a bag and seeing a Glock 17, this adapter, and a Magpul stock?

Or a Glock 17 on your belt in a holster, this adapter in the box at home, and a Magpul stock on your LMT carbine?

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Let's look at Hi-points. Oh. A Hi-point 9mm pistol. It is a pistol. Add a 16" barrel and shoulder stock. It is now a rifle. Remove the stock and reinstall the pistol barrel. It is now a pistol. Install only the shoulder stock. It is now an SBR, legal if it had been form 1'd, illegal if not. If it was a legal SBR, you could then add the 16" barrel and it is no longer an SBR (but still on the registry). Return to the pistol barrel, no stock, it is now a pistol. You have an approved form 1, you can make it into an SBR at any time (I assume you marked the receiver). It was legally manufactured as a pistol, it's legal to make a pistol into a rifle, and you have approval to make it into a short barreled rifle. All set.

Now a Hi-point rifle. It is a rifle. Install a pistol barrel, you need to have a form 1 approved. Remove the shoulder stock, you have an issue as you have made a pistol from a rifle and can't do that. You could file to make it an AOW with a fore grip. Much less flexibility because it started as a rifle.

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I share your concerns, but I get stuck way back at the "why" stage.

 

That stock on a G18 would be nice.

 

Interesting, I suppose LEOs would frown on someone with this in their possession.?

 

I wouldn't give a ****...but then again...all the crap people waste money on to circumvent NFA paperwork would be much better spent just getting the damn trust done and paying the mordida to dot.gov and being legal with quality gear instead of Bubba Gump Tackytool stuff.

Just sayin....

Of course...I think the NFA is BS anyway. You ought to be able to buy in whatever format you want to...but I am not in office, nor do I make the law. If I did, there would be a lot more common sense involved.

 

I would not buy one without getting back an approved F1.

What am I saying? I wouldn't touch one of those anyway.

 

What Kenny said!

Is this the same Kenny that is in TBGR that has an affinity for multi barreled firearms?

 

What Kenny said!

Is this the same Kenny that is in TBGR that has an affinity for multi barreled firearms?

Lol the one and only! Who is this?

 

This is John Smehyl, im in Land o Lakes

 

3yo thread NM.

 

I ordered one for my glock 19 on the wish app. With shipping it totaled out to $18.

 

If it can be sold direct, w/o a stamp, there must be a legal way to POSSESS the "Glock Stock" until one receives said stamp. I got a package deal on one, with some other parts, so I am seeking info... :cat: :headscratch:

 

Now... If it was a slide fire, they'd have something, huh?

 

Shalom everyone. There is a reason there is so much confusion on these adapters, etc. No one contacts the people who make the rules. So we end up with, "IMO, I think, Maybe, Well uh". Contact Endo and they can give you copy of ATF/NFA ruling. Contact ATF for the same. This adapter is not an NFA item. The pistol becomes NFA item when you attack a butt stock to the pistol, either using the adapter or the original Glock stock kit. That must be Form1 ATF $200'd. However legally, the Endo adapter can be attached and used ATF/NFA legally blessed,using any of the ATF approved stabilizing braces/blades. Is this per ATF, yes. As a retired LEO, know the law by studying the law. It keeps you out of federal court and prison. Now, your individual state laws, that depends on what state your in. Not everyone is blessed to live in the south. Shalom. Be blessed.

 

I was doing some web surfing and somehow I got an ad for ENDO tactical. It looked neat so of course I went to website.

http://www.endotactical.com/

I then went to their FAQs.

I am not sure what they are recommending is legal or if it is, I am not seeing how.

From their FAQ

http://www.endotactical.com/faq.html

"Do I need a special permit or licence to buy your product?

No. Anyone can buy it, but if you plan on adding a stock to it and connecting it to your handgun you should be filing a Form 1 with the ATF because you are turning your handgun into a Short Barreled Rifle (SBR)."


WHOA me says. With SBRs there is constructive intent. If I buy one of these, have a glock and an AR15 stock, even if I dont assemble them, there is constructive intent I would think? This would be the same as buying a 10" barrel for an AR15 while not having an SBR lower but having a regular lower. Constructive intent.

Then there is

"Is there any way I can avoid the ATF Short Barreled Rifle (SBR) law?

Yes. If you have a 16" (or longer) barrel for your Glock."

AGAIN. Whoa.

So, I put a 16" barrel on my glock and this system to make it a rifle. Now what. I have turned a glock into a rifle. I believe the ATF takes the position "once a rifle, always a rifle." So, now trying to make the Glock back into a pistol turns it in an NFA item.

This item seems to me, something that is portrayed as legal, and in strict sense (like say you dont have a glock or a stock) is, but as soon as all the parts are present, constructive intent will apply and people could get in trouble taking their advice.

So, exactly how "legal" does everyone think these are without a tax stamp?

just use a pistol brace and rest your sphincter

 

The real question should be, how is this not?

 

Or "why would anyone want one of these?"

 

I posted this in jest but sadly a lot of truth.

 

I can now see how that would stop a lot of crimes committed with firearms. /sarc