Featured Glock in the hunt for new Bureau contract (and they are all 9mm's!)

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  1. chriseger

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    The Federal Bureau of Investigation is seeking to update their 1990s era pistol stocks and could conceivably go Glock to do so.

    The FBI has relied on Glocks (in 7 different models) since 1997 to equip most of its agents both as primary and backup use but is now looking to change things up-- and the current stable of Austrian polymer seems like it can fit the bill. In short, the primary issue arm is currently the Glock 22 and 23 "FG&R" (finger groove and rail) with the 9mm 17/19 as an alternative. For backup and deep concealment, special agents as well as those on more administrative taskings (read= supervisors) are authorized "baby Glock" G26 and G27 subcompacts while SWAT-certified agents can carry a G21 in .45ACP. In almost all cases, those guns in service are 3rd Generation models.

    Now the Bureau on Oct. 7, 2015 released a 110-page pistol solicitation request, all for 9mm semi-automatic pistols.

    These are for four different guns. To make this easy, what I will do is list the guideline in bold and then list what Glock would conceivably fit the bill.

    Class I Compact Pistol: One (1) Class I Pistol with a barrel length of no less than 3.75” and no greater than 4.25”, height no less than 4.75” and no greater than 5.6”, flush fit minimum magazine capacity of 14 rounds and witness holes, night sights.

    Potential Winner: Glock 19 Gen 4 with 4.01-inch barrel length, 4.99-inch height, 15 shot magazine.

    Class II Full Size Pistol: One (1) Class II Pistol with a barrel length of no less than 4.26” and no greater than 5.20” , height no greater than 6”, flush fit minimum magazine capacity of 16 rounds and witness holes, night sights. Class I & II pistols shall have the same operating system and control mechanisms with the only difference being the slide, barrel, frame, and grip dimensions. Class II magazines shall fit in Class I pistols and function the pistol as designed.

    Potential Winner: Glock 17 Gen 4 at 4.48-inch barrel, 5.43-inch height, 17 round mag that will work in the G19 that shares the same operating system and surface controls.

    For both Class I and II pistols, the following is required:

    All magazines must have a small ledge (“toe”) on the front of the magazine to aid the shooter in rapid extraction of the magazine. This ledge must protrude forward of the grip (nominally 0.10” - 0.15”) to enable the non-shooting hand to strip the magazine from the pistol. Trigger pull weight shall be no less than 4.5 lbs. nor exceed 6 lbs. Pistol must fire with 6 lbs. of pressure and shall not fire with 4.25 lbs. pressure. The slide stop lever shall lock the slide to the rear position upon firing the last round in the magazine. No external manual safety. No magazine safety. No grip safety. 20,000 round endurance firing cycle. A minimum of three different rear sight height options are required (e.g., standard, low, and high).

    Class I Inert Training Pistol (a.k.a. Red Handle): One (1) Class I Pistol, deactivated with full articulation, red frame and slide, night sights, four (4) magazines with red floor plates.

    Potential Winner: Glock 17 P Practice pistol, which is fully articulated including loadable magazines, trigger squeeze, and disassembling in a completely inert package.

    Class I Man Marker Training Pistol (a.k.a. SIMUNITIONTM1): One (1) Class I Man Marker Pistol, blue slide or slide with blue inserts, four (4) magazines with blue floor plates.

    Potential Winner: Glock 17T FX it is already blue and uses Simunition man -marker rounds.

    While other companies may be able to drop in on the Class I and II pistol categories (such as SIG and S&W with their P320 and M&P lines respectively), they may have a harder time coming up with the articulated red handle and simunitions training guns. I'm not sure they have them on tap. If they do, it could be an interesting run off between the three (or four companies if FN jumps in).

    In addition to the guns themselves, there are guidelines for replacement parts enough to last 10 years, lockable and stackable plastic cases (which can be third party), weapon disassembly tools.

    The winner being able to begin deliveries within 90 days after receipt of order, and be able to supply as many as 25,000 pistols per year for 10 years (although this will be less than likely as FBI only has some 13,412 special agents). The contract has a maximum of $85 million tied to it.

    And here is the kicker. The contract may be extended to other federal agencies to include:

    • United States Department of State, Bureau of Diplomatic Security
    • United States Marshals Service
    • Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms
    • United States Postal Service
    • United States Treasury Department
    • Drug Enforcement Agency
    • United States Capitol Police
    • United States Park Police
    • United States Department of Energy
    • Office of Inspector General (all Federal agencies)
    • United States Department of Defense
    Did you get the last one?

    With the Army's modular pistol program ramping up and Glock (along with SIG, S&W and FN) all in the hunt for that as well, the FBI contract could be a solid warm up to supplying Big Green.

    Those companies wishing to submit their guns will have to send a mix of 80 firearms (20 of each class) along with holsters, Ransom rest inserts, lights, cleaning kits etc. to the Bureau who will then put them through five phases of testing (including submitting them to a 10,000 round range test each, salt water corrosion tests, drop tests, etc.) and then a winner will emerge.

    Overall, interesting times ahead.
     
  2. nightstalker865

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    How many different threads is there going to be on this topic......


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  3. KY Moose

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    The Department of Defense mention is for their civilian police departments such as Pentagon Police, Defense Logistics Agency Police, and the base police from all branches, but not active duty military.


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    Meh, It's just the internet.

    I don't see Glock changing their grips to satisfy the few.
     
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    I'm sure the FBI will love the finger grooves on the Glocks, it's not like they've prohibited them or anything, ...on page 16
     
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    Just like topics on Tenifer, Glock 42, Glock 43, Glock 19, which Glock pistol to get, so forth so on.

    BTW I found the original post interesting.

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    Well take your pick it's either this or how the 9mm is replacing the .40 with LEA, just have a good laugh and go to the next thread.
     
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    No finger grooves!!!
    The FBI wants que Gen2 with a rail back!!!
     
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    I wonder if they will shorten the Glock 19 barrel or lengthen the Glock 17 barrel...
     
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    I've heard the rumor that Glock all but has it but it looks like the specs were made for the S&W M&P line of pistols. Just sayin.
     
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    Interesting the agents that are SWAT certified can carry a .45 acp.
     
  12. GlockFan7

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    Probably not too many as long as you don't say the word "Tenifer".
     
  13. M1fuzz

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    All the SWAT certified agents I know carry Springfield TRP's.

    I doubt DEA will be made to jump on the bandwagon because the Bureau says so. You must remember DEA issues G22's and G27's. However, DEA has an approved list of authorized handguns if you don't want the issued gun. FBI doesn't.
     
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    Unless SWAT certified of course.
     
  15. Rock2411

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    During the Boston bombing the HRT members caught on camera had Glocks in their holsters. I was told that local FBI office SWAT teams still have the option of 1911s.
     
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    Just shorten a G34 barrel for the G17. They probably also need GAP type magazine bases.
     
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    Actually the G21 was available to any agent who wanted to buy one and carry it. The only gun restricted to SWAT/HRT agents was the Springfield 1911. Both guns were dropped from the authorized list of Personally Owned Weapons over the summer. Agents who have purchased them can keep carrying them on duty for now, but no new 45's may be added.

    Current issued gun at the academy is a G22 Gen 4. Authorized POW's for agents to buy/carry are: G17, G19, G22, G26 - all in Gen 4. The G26 and G27 can be had in Gen 3 format. All POW's must be black. They finally authorized Trijicon HD's for use on POW's.

    As a side note they have also reinstated the POW rifle program allowing agents to purchase a Colt 6920 for use on duty.


    They switched some time ago to Glocks. They are now issuing G17's in Dark Earth with ZEV triggers to HRT. The local SWAT teams are getting G17's in OD green with ZEV triggers. There are still 1911's in the field (and a couple teams used the G21) but they are being phased out.
     
  18. glockjeeper

    glockjeeper G19/J Frame fan

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    About time they allow POWs again and an option in sights at that.

    What mods are allowed to the 6920s?
     
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    Looks more like the Sig P320 to me.
     
  20. Four_T_Five

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    Mods? With that organization, none. They are authorized a CTR stock, but I don't know anyone who has actually received their rifle yet. They ship from Colt directly to Quantico and then to the agent's PFI.

    The only authorized optics are Aimpoints (H1, H2, T1, and T2) on a DD mount. They will have Troy flop ups and be free-floated with the Troy Alpha Rail. Sadly some moron at HQ chose the 11" handguard over a more appropriate 15" or 13". Inforce WML is the approved light.

    In a smart move they are now issuing rifles in that same configuration with an 11.5" bbl to replace the RRA and Colt 14.5" rifles that have FSB's. In the recent Washington Times (or was it Post?) article there's a photo of one of their gunsmiths with the new 11.5" rifle.

    And they're dropping EOTech and going all Aimpoint Micros.

    Back to handguns, the APL is their approved light. Black Glocks will be general issue and POW's. As mentioned, OD green is for SWAT program Glocks and Dark Earth for HRT Glocks.

    Many of the more switched on agents I know have already moved to 9mm on their own (most often the G19). It always makes me laugh when I see all the disparaging comments about how the agents can't handle 40 so they are switching to 9. If they only knew CIRG has been leading that charge for some time now.