Glock Factory Lube

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  1. bam1131

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    Why is it that Glock specifically tells you in the manual to keep the copper lube on? and why do people here say take it off?
     
  2. SCC

    SCC just me

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    :dunno: I leave it on ...
     

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    Loctite Copper Anti Seize
     
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    Mine came off with normal cleaning, but I didn't take it off intentionally.
     
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  5. WarEagle 1

    WarEagle 1 Taco Tuesday

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    I leave it on as well.
     
  6. bam1131

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    I had left it on for a while with no issues. I just cleaned around it. I'm just trying to figure out why people here say take it off.
    Maybe it is because some people think the know more than the company that makes the gun?:rofl: jk but seriously why take it off?
     
  7. lethal tupperwa

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    why do people get a manual and either don't read or argue with it?
     
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    That's what I'm saying ^^
     
  9. Tiro Fijo

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    Because it's an anti-seize compound and not a lubricant per se as Glock has no idea how long a gun will languish in storage. As with any gun, one should clean any shards and packing grease from a firearm, especially the chamber whereas remaining grease can cause serious pressure spikes.
     
  10. Bruce M

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    I don't clean it off either. I do however check the barrel and chamber and lubricate the Glock. My guess is that the people who make them might have an idea about what is best.
     
  11. voyager4520

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    I leave it on for the first 100 rounds then clean it out. Besides the lubrication points described in the manual, I use a lightly oiled q-tip to rub over the cam surface on the bottom of the slide that actuates the connector tab, the firing pin lug and trigger bar tab that engages it, the part of the slide stop that locks into the slide as well as that cut-out in the slide and rearward of the cut-out where the slide stop rubs until it locks into the slide, the arm of the trigger bar that engages the firing pin safety, the slide peening spots and the front corners of the locking block that cause slide peening, and the sides of the tang of metal on the barrel above the feed ramp.

    Though I detail strip clean the slide after every range trip and wipe the slide internals absolutely dry before reassembly, so there's no chance for any of that extra oil to gum up the internals of the slide.
     
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  12. nraman

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    I may be wrong but Glock put it in the manual recently. I don't remember the earlier manuals saying anything about keeping it. Perhaps somebody can check an old manual.
    What I do remember is that Glock reps used to say that it needs to be replaced with oil.
    I bet the only reason they included it in the manual was to avoid answering the same old question, what to do with the copper lube. If that was their reason, it didn't work, shooters keep asking the same question.
     
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    Hmmm. I bought a bottle of the copper lube and have been uisng it on the slides. Maybe I should re-think that.......
     
  14. MikeG36

    MikeG36 Have Gun Will Travel

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    Shoot it and clean it. No need to reapply it. Just regular oil is all it needs after that.
     
  15. Another Glock Guy

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    I removed the copper lube from all my Glocks. As soon as I got home with a new Glock, my first tendency was to clean it. Just my way of doing things. Haven't had a problem from any of my pistols thus far.
     
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    it comes off when you clean the pistol....what am i supposed to do, clean around it....
     
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    why do we have to have a conversation about this every week....
     
  18. C0untZer0

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    The are several different kinds of copper anti-sieze out there.

    I'm guessing that because Glock is in Austria they are probably using the German Henkle, but I could be wrong.

    The MSDS for the Henkle LOCTITE C5-A is right here:

    http://complyplus.grainger.com/grain...d=3841897#sec2

    Some of the companies that make the stuff (like VersaChem) flat out say that it's not a lubricant. It is more commonly called an anti-seize compound or anti-seize assembly compound - sometimes called anti-seize thread lubricant. It is something that you put on an assembly that enables it to be taken back apart at some future date - hence the name "anti-seize" - as in keeping a bolt from seizing up. But not the same connotation as a lubricant that keeps moving parts from seizing up.

    So here's my opinion on the copper anti-seize.

    One thing that it does better than almost any other grease its that it doesn't separate, dry out or become tacky.

    So we all know that there are people who, when they buy a gun, they don't clean it, they don't lube it, they go straight to the range and start blasting away. There is a thread on this forum about a guy with a 17L who did just that (and experienced problems).

    I think Glock puts the copper anti-seize in their Glocks to mitigate against the situation where a Glock sits for a long while - either in transport or at distributors and then in a gun shop etc... and then an owner doesn't clean or lube but just fires it. The anti-seize will provide some lubrication and protection of the metal.

    The copper anti-seize is for a particular application: shipping it and trying to prepare for some knucklehead who is going to basically fire it right out of the box.

    But I think it's completely useless for an owner to use the stuff. There are lubricants - oil and grease out there that are much better, and if an owner has his Glock in storage for a while he can always just clean and re-lube the pistol before firing. Are there that many situations where someone doesn't ever have an opportunity to do regular maintenance on their pistol - it just sits in storage, but they might need to shoot it at a moments notice?

    Well if you really truly have that situation then maybe copper anti-seize is the right lube for that application.

    Really though, the stuff is targeted for a particular application - to prevent bolts & fasters from welding with the materials they're holding together and to prevent them from corroding and for enabling bolts / fasteners to be backed out at some future time and to prevent them from seizing up when they're untightened.

    I have not been able to find NLGI ratings for most of the copper anti-seize compounds, but at least the Versachem I purchased seemed to be thicker than the Walmart Super Tech Extreme Pressure Multi-Duty Complex Hi-Temp grease - which is NLGI #2

    It's gritty compared to other gun greases or even compared to general purpose packing grease.

    The copper grease that came on my Glock was fairly thick, mostly came off after the third firing / cleaning. There is some trace of it left - which resembles copper fouling - which jives with what another anti-seize manufacturer says about their product.

    I was reading the tech sheet on Jet-Lube's copper anti-seize - and it states:

    "will not separate, settle out, harden, or dry out in storage"

    ^ This IMO may be why Glock ships their pistols with copper anti-seize in them.

    Their TDS also states:


    Notice that the German Henkle LOCTITE C5-A has ground up quartz crystals in it - used as a thickner.

    Quartz crystals in a lube that goes on a big bolt that is going to stay in place and then go a few revolutions when it's untightened - not a big a deal. Quartz crystals between two sliding steel parts in a hand gun? I don't think it's a good idea. But then again - I don't know exactly what goes into the copper lube that Glock uses. Other copper anti-seize manufacturers use lime as a thickner. Some manufactuer's copper anti-seize is basically lithium grease with copper powder in it.

    I think there is better grease out there and I would take the goop off immediately and use any gun oil or gun grease there instead.


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  19. faawrenchbndr

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    I always remove it.
    Where the anti-sieze was, I lube with Slideglide, Slip 2K EWL
    every where else. Smooth as silk, never had a malfunction yet.
     
  20. Folsom_Prison

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    The two glocks ive owned I've removed off the bat. Never been an issue for me.