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I am getting ready to undergo a major operation to remove a tumor from my head. As a reward for myself if I come through I am going to purchase a nice shooter.

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Thanks to eceryone for thier well wishes and thoughts, everything turned out well. I went today for an out-patient surgery for my specialist to take a look in my ear. He said he doesn't know where the tumor went and that there is no trace of it.
Heck after this good news I decided to buy me a bushmaster! Might as well celebrate with all the money I saved by not having to have that major operation! Woooohooo!:cool: :cool: :cool:

John
 

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First off, hope you pull through. Second, Go with the Glock. The Springfield, well from a notable company, does not have enough "test of time" behind it to have a good rep. The Glock 27 on the other hand does. I am curious though, why the Springfield XD: a full-size, and the Glock 27, a subcompact? Why not the 23? I have both and have to say they are both awesome shooters. Good Luck again, let us know how it turns out! Feel free to pm with questions or what not about the Glocks. jeremy
 

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hawserdr,

First of all, good luck and God bless. We'll be rootin' for ya.

Secondly, I'm just as curious as jeremey about the "subcompact" and "fullsize" choices. Actually, nevermind, I do understand...

Anyways, I've heard that the XD's are great shooters. Never tried one myself. However, I have tried the g26/27 and must say that they are my favorite compacts in the subcompact market.

If you want a nice "in between" try a Glock 23.

Heck, try em all...

Jim
 

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thanks for your well wishes.

the reason I was thinking about the xd, was that I was under the impression from a friend that it was a compact. He told me it had a 4 inch length overall. I guess after looking at the specs on the manufacturers website that he was wrong. This is what happens when I take a self-proclaimed experts word as fact without checking it out :)

I went to a shop and handled the 27, I really liked it. I did have to use only a three finger grip, but I've heard about finger extensions for the magazines. That might equal it out a little better. If not then maybe a 23 would be better suited.

I really like the .40 as opposed to the .45. It seems as though the recoil is easier for me to take allowing quicker aquisition of the target after the first round.

What do you guys think of the .40 as opposed to some of the other common calibers out there? Whats a good load for self defense? I wouldn't want a round to go through a perp and hit an innocent. Glazer safety slugs come to my mind, but I'm sure there are other loads/brands. Any advice here?
 

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I've handled and shot the XD and actually own the Glock 27. I'm very pleased with the Glock 27.

The XD (when it was first produced) was supposed to be the "Glock Killer". After Springfield acquired and started producing the XD, they made some modifications to the gun to make it more reliable and so far the gun has proven to be a decent gun.

I'd make my decision using this thought process -- Glock's have been around a little longer and proven to be very reliable and if the guns were completely identicle in performance & reliability; you will have more luck in finding accessories and modifications for your Glock.

Hope this thinking will help a little.
 

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Is Springfield actually producing these guns now or are they just importing HS2000's from Croatia and putting their name on them? I notice "CROATIA" is still stamped on the side of the gun.
 

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havent heard anything real good about the xd yet from my ffl, he says he thinks its a step above a sigma, get the glock
 

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Is Springfield actually producing these guns now or are they just importing HS2000's from Croatia and putting their name on them? I notice "CROATIA" is still stamped on the side of the gun.
I noticed this also, I was going to ask the same question, just out of curiosity. I wonder what the deal is there?
 

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Is Springfield actually producing these guns now or are they just importing HS2000's from Croatia and putting their name on them? I notice "CROATIA" is still stamped on the side of the gun.
SA is merely having the Croatians put their SA XD polymer on the old HS2000s and marking them up.

Search and you'll find tons of my XD slamming.

For ther money, you might as well snag an CZ or a Ruger.

Used factory pr PD trade in G23s and G19s roll for $400 and sometimes with a pair of hi caps. I've bought two of those in the past and been quite happy.

Wait and buy the real deal.
 

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Another problem I have with SA and the XD line is it hasn't grown.

I've seen XDs super glued to case for two to three months while the Glocks, HK USPs, and Kahrs move.

What does that tell you?
 

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I went to the shop today and handled the XD. I don't know if the comments on here made me biased or not, but I really just didn't like it. My hands are small to begin with and it just didn't feel comfortable at all.
After a few minutes of pointing out this or that, even the sales rep was bashing it. I think I will stick with the tried and true and let someone else field test the XD.

Good point about the XD line not expanding. Surely if it were to be a 'glock killer' the line would be more aggressive.
 

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XD line not growing?
Are you kidding?

Have you heard of the Springfield XD Match?
It will be at NorCo, Ca on October 12th and 13th. Heck there is even a night side match. Complete details will be available on the web shortly.

They have released the green frame and are just about to release the 5" version with a ported version to follow.
I have owned Glocks (27, 23 and 35) and just shot one today in a simulator.
I have shot a few different XD's and would take the XD anytime over a Glock.
It is true that the XD has not proved its self yet but that is just a matter of time.
The XD has a much better trigger out of the box, is more balanced (not top heavy) and more features then the Glocks.
Don't get me wrong, Glock's are a great firearm but with a choice I would go for the XD especially when they are a few dollars less expensive.
 

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A guy who shops at the same gunshop I do traded in his Glock 27 for an XD. I came buy 30 miutes later and bought his glock. This gunstore cant keep them (XD's) in stock. Affordability is a big issue to buyers. You may want to rent these pistols and try them out. I would also suggest you may wish to try out the glock 23 or 19, you seem a bit unsure. Also, the August 2002 issue of "Combat Handguns" has an article on the XD9 called "In praise of the Springfield Armory XD9" you may want to check this review out. They also had an article on them several months back.

I don't think you can loose, but buy the glock anyway then you'll be sure you didn't lose.

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I've already purchased a Glock 27, but I am curious as to why you would pick a XD 'anytime.'

What features of this firearm impressed you so greatly as to influence your decision to this degree? How do these features compare with what the Glock does or does not offer?

Personally I'm so sick of 'eXtreme' this and that, that I wonder who this pistol is being marketed to. The most extreme duty I hope my firearms are never put through is to be fired in defense of life. Not jumping out of airplanes, then boarding a ship in the middle of the night, with all kinds of harsh conditions and then taking out some tangoes.

Now, don't get me wrong. Im certainly not trying to attack your preference, because that wouldn't be right. I'm just asking some questions to try and understand better.
 

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The XD's trigger is it's greatest appeal.
Crisp and clean unlike most factory triggers.
It breaks real close to a glass rod, just the way a trigger is suppost to work. The Glock's trigger breaks like a fiberglass rod. Of course, this is if both are in factory condidion. There are people that do great trigger jobs on Glock's (no recommended by the factory). The XD is new enough that there is almost no aftermarket parts available yet. I know Rob Leathum has already looked at the XD trigger and has figured out how to make it even better.

Another feature is how the firearm balances. It is very neutral whereas the Glock is very top heavy.

The XD also has all the Glock features plus many more. These are aimed at the gadget freaks and administrators.

The XD (Extreme Duty) is geared for Law Enforcemnet which is a good sized market for a firearm.

The XD runs $50 to $100 less then a Glock. This is a big point in the XD's favor (as long as it works as well as the Glock). I have shot and seen shot thosands or rounds thru XD with reliability at least as good as Glock's.

One additional thing is the XD can use other firearms magazines with slight modification.

That's about it.

Now let's turn it around.
What makes the Glock better?
 

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I've only had a Glock 23, 27 and have never fired the XD, so I am not the most qualified to answer this question, by any means.

In my limited experience and capabilities, the 23 has always performed very well for me. The balance seems to be better than my old 1911. It seems easier to aim. I'm sure there is some technical lingo I'm not using for it, but I'm a layman. Not a pro.

I'm certainly not going to say that the Glock is better than the XD. I think that what makes a pistol better is different from person to person. For example one might enjoy the extra features of the XD, while another might appreciate a simpler weapon.

Kind of like my new camcorder. I just bought a $700 digital recorder. It has so many bells and whistles that most would never use, so they can't appreciate it as well as I can, who will use all of them. See what I mean?

I wonder if any other long time shooters can join in here and talk some pros and cons of the XD and Glock?
 

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I was just in one of the gunshops in the next over yesterday, and he was complaining he couldn't keep XDs on the shelves. He'd like on for himself (to replace his G19) but keeps selling them as quick as he gets them. On the other hand, he told me he'd make me a really good deal if I would take the Glock 20 off his hands. Any that show up here are gone in days not weeks.
 

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The dealers around here sell them (XD's) as quick as they get'em.
The extra features I spoke of are:
Loaded chamber indicator
Striker indicator
Ambidextrious mag release
Grip safety (allows the firearm to be fired and the slide can only be racked when the firearm is held in your hand)
Plus all the Glock features.
 

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It's your call. Try them both. Choose the one you like better. It's as simple as that, ignore everything anyone else writes. Because only you can make the decision. Once you do, know that you have made the right one and you choice will stand by your side.

Clearly you are undergoing a major operation, when you come out it won't matter which gun you choose, but the kinship will last a lifetime. Follow your gut.

Good luck, you have my blessing. There is no wrong answer.

Cheers. ;c ;c ;c
 

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Yeah, good words Hi-Pot. I already cheated and bought the 27. Thought I'd enjoy it before the operation some. Might as well. Heck, maybe I'll get an XD anyhow!

:)
 
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