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Glock 26 vs. S&W J-Frame, pros and cons...

Discussion in 'General Glocking' started by CAVEDWELLER, Jan 12, 2004.

  1. CAVEDWELLER

    CAVEDWELLER 1911 TROGLODYTE

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    I've finally faced the fact that I'm not built to carry my 5" 1911. I don't want to an Officers model cuz of my belief that the samller you go on a 1911 the more problems they will have. So I've been interested in a S&W J-frame, such as a 642, and the Glock 26. Does any one one or the other that they can tell me pros and cons on them?
     
  2. Harlequin

    Harlequin I need a weapon

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    Just off the top of my head, I give a pro to the Glock for having 10 shots. I'd give a pro to the S&W for reliability. Not that a Glock isn't reliable, but the saying is "six for sure" (or five in this case) for a reason. I also think that .38 Special +P will have much more kick than 9mm.
     

  3. Bigbadben

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    Hey Cavedweller,

    Well, I've given the same question a lot of though (and ultimately carry a 26 more often than anything else -which tells you what side I come down on). I'll skip the obvious 11 shots vs. 5 stuff.

    For me the real issue came down to shootability. I love a good revolver trigger in a full size Smith. But the problem with the little revolvers is the grip size. I have too hard a time holding onto something that small well enough to be able to keep the sights on target through a long, double action trigger stroke. By the same token the short crunchy trigger of the Glock is simple to use even with the shortened grip of the 26. So I can shoot the 26 a whole lot more quickly and accurately than the J-frame Smith.

    Another thought is something that’s likely to be a bit controversial. In my experience the Glock is more reliable than a small revolver, especially given the conditions it is likely to experience through extended carry. I’ve had three J-frame sized revolvers. All were good guns, but they were susceptible to things like lint in the action, issues with timing, objects getting stuck in the action. I’ve had no such issues with the Glocks. In my experience the Glock really can take a more severe beating than a J-frame and keep working. I find that reassuring.

    Ben
     
  4. desertratone

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    I would have to agree with Ben. I carried several different J frame Smith's in the 70' and 80's. All were great guns, but no match for the Model 26 or 27. The round limitation would be my first concern. Second would be the difference in round performance between the revolver and the Glock. The 9MM and the .40 CAL will out perform the 38 Special in a short barrel. Plus from experiance I belive the Glock will be more reliable than the J frame Smith. :cool:
     
  5. shootingbuff

    shootingbuff Millennium Member

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    Plus for anything past 7 yds the G2x will be MUCH easier to hit with IMO and faster on followup shots. Though I believe I shoot my snubbie very well, it just is not up to a G2x.

    AFA what you can and can not carry there is a couple of things I'll say about that. I feel most folks can carry a 5" 1911, it all depends on dress and holster. If you've given it a shot so be it.

    AFA a G2x vs a snubbie that is up to you. Again it goes back to dress and holster. Likes and dislikes.

    If you are just not comfortable while carrying you will get used to it.

    sb
     
  6. Grabbrass

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    Here's a pic linked from general non-glocking at this thread http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=213844

    this isn't one of your choices, but I think it's THE choice
    between the G26 and the snub, I'd take the 26. They're all significantly lighter and smaller than your 1911, but only this Kahr is also thinner.
    [​IMG]
     
  7. CAVEDWELLER

    CAVEDWELLER 1911 TROGLODYTE

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    I can conceal a 5" 1911 in the winter here, but definitely not in the summer. I had a Kahr back when they first came out it was nice, didn't have the sweet trigger pull of the 1911's, but it was good for what it ws designed for. I like to shoot what I own, so that's why I was leaning towards a G26 other than a J-frame. My problem with Glocks is the horrendous trigger, what can be done to smooth it out?
     
  8. Harlequin

    Harlequin I need a weapon

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    It takes some getting used to. People who shoot them like them. You might try the 0.25 Glock trigger job and see if that helps.
     
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    I agree that the G2x is much easier to shoot than my 642. One thing unsaid--so far--is the greater ease with which I can conceal the 642. The 642 will actually fit in a front jeans pocket, where the G27 is too big. The 642 disappears on the ankle, where the G27 works as long as the pants are pretty loose on the ankle.

    Bottom line, though, is either will get the job done if you do your bit.

    Glenn R.
     
  10. CAVEDWELLER

    CAVEDWELLER 1911 TROGLODYTE

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    And therein lies the rub....I know I can conceal a J-frame all day with no prob, I'm gonna have to work a little on the G26. But there is also something about a revolver. To me a J-frame has classy lines, a G26 is just a typical wonder-nine that has been scaled down. I guess I can't really loose either way I go though can I?
     
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    And there you have it. Again it is your likes and dislikes. I will say you can conceal a G26 with a good holster.

    As Glenn mentioned ankle carry I feel the same but I could always get pants to accomadate said carry mode. Folks say they can ankle carry a 19 but I am not one of them.

    I carry both and it is dependent on my dress (clothing fellas) because I have some holsters that I perfer for diff types of carry for each pistol and to darn thrifty (read cheap / poor / penny pincher etc) to order a holster that works well for a mode of carry and style of dress for both pistols.

    Best of luck guy.

    sb
     
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    I don't have a 26 but I have a G30 and a 642.

    The 642 is cheap, if this is a factor. If you worry about lint you can use a pocket holster. I have a Uncle Mike's IWB for the 642 which was also cheap that works really well. I don't really like guns floating around in my pockets, although I haven't tried the pocket holsters either. The 642 is light enough where you can get away with the cheaper holster, one belt clip holds it securely. It conceals really well and is fast to put on. I carry it at 1:00.

    I carry my 30 when I can though.
     
  13. Ken Rainey

    Ken Rainey 1 WILD PIG

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    I have a S&W model 60 and a Glock 26. Concealing the Smith is the easiest since I put Barami Hip Grips on it. They are grips that have an extention molded in on the right side grip that will hook on your waist band so that all that shows of the gun is the grip. They also aid in filling up your hand but I also put a Tyler's T-Grip on the front strap and now it has a very good grip. This is the gun I use for maximum ease of concealment and when I'm going to be in crowded situations. Another plus for the revolver is in an ultra close (like touching) firing situation - you can shove a revolver barrel up against someone and fire it where an auto may get pushed out of battery and not fire. I also learned to stage the trigger and can get center hits at 25 yds and farther if need be. Having said that, my 26 gets the duty most of the time and carries just fine in the waist band also but does require a little more attention. As far as the G26 trigger pull goes, I use a NY1 trigger spring with a 3.5 lb connector (and a little polishing) for a more "firmly smooth" revolver like pull. The 26 gets the nod for holding as much ammo as the J frame does with a reload, something to consider even though reloading the J Frame can be done quickly with a Safariland speed loader - but carrying the speedloader is awkward too. You can use speed strips but they are slower to load with.

    As was said, you CAN carry a full size 1911 but it does require more attention to detail. I've carried one in my waistband in just jeans and a t-shirt when doing some work were it could have made a tense situation unstable if discovered and no one was the wiser. It sure made me feel better knowing it was there - and there's the thing - carrying what makes you feel the most confident in the situation you're most likely to be in. Also, another big factor to consider is your proficiency with whatever you choose - if you're ingrained in the 1911, going to something "simpler" is easy for occassional carry but if your ingrained in say a revolver or a Glock, then going to the 1911 may play havock with your muscle memory in a tense situation and you may forget to disengage the safety. You will do your best with what you use (train with) the most when the sugar turns to s**t.

    If you go with a small revolver, I have some of the Barami Hip Grips at my store for $22 including shipping in the lower 48 if you want to try them, just send me an email. Remember, it's the guy/gal behind the gun that means the most. Choose the one (or both!) that you LIKE and become proficient with it and it will serve you well.

    Ken
     
  14. USMA-82

    USMA-82 The Select Few

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    Here's my take, having carried and shot both extensively:

    - the G26 has more rounds, more power, better accuracy, and is tremendously reliable. It is a little boxy, but can be concealed well with the right holster. I've used the G26 for local IDPA matches, and done very well. Even with the Pierce extenders, it is a grip for folks with relatively small hands. The recoil is sharp but manageable. Of course, 9mm rounds are readily available, and very reasonably priced. Excellent, excellent gun. Only drawback is the price in my home state (Massachusetts). Because of the ridiculous gun laws, you can't purchase one new, and used G26's are being sold in the $600 to $700 range. Obviously, you can get one more reasonably priced in just about any other state.

    - the S&W 642 (.38 spl +P)is more easily concealed in an IWB holster, and so has become my CCW of choice in the summer months. The gun has a very small grip, and is so light that it kicks like a mule. Accuracy beyond about 10 yards is questionable (although some folks can do very well at this range), but it has never failed to fire. It is well-suited as the classic "belly gun" where you are standing belly-to-belly with an aggressor. Ammo is fairly inexpensive, and the gun itself can be had for $329 brand new.

    Conclusion: carry the right hollowpoint ammo, do tons of training, and don't leave home without one or the other.
     
  15. drofnas

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    I have the G26 and the S&W Airlight 340PD.

    I like them both. I shoot the Glock W-A-Y better than the revolver. Just the trigger. I've had no trigger work done to either. I carry 115 grain +P Cor Bons in the Glock, and 38+P's of some sort in the Smith. (I obviously spend more thought on the 9's)

    I would rather carry the Glock. Easier to shoot. More accurate for me. More firepower. Easier to reload. In weather with a bulky shirt, no problem. I carry both in Comp-Tac tuckable IWB kydex holsters. I sometimes carry the Smith in a pocket holster. If I'm feeling like the boxey Glock will print, then it's the Smith. With the curves, it blends more. It fits better in a pocket too.

    If I had to choose, I go Glock. Then save up for something smaller to hide better later. Just my opinion.
     
  16. RCPilot

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    I have been carrying a 642 simply because of convienince of sliding it in my pocket but I was in a potential situation not far back where I wasn't comfortable and to make a long story short I wanted a pocket gun I could shoot more acurately at a longer distance so I got a 26. I shoot it more accurately than my 17 and is very enjoyable to shoot. I do have to plan my dress when I carry it as I like to carry it in my front pocket. Dress jeans or slacks with larger pockets are no problem concealing it with an Uncle Mikes No.4 pocket holster. I'd say I carry it 50% of the time and my 642 the other 50%.
     
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    well like a few others i have both, bought the g26 first. the snub is a 340sc. the snud carries great in the pocket and ankle, i admit i carry it more often. if i were to ever have to use it i doubt i would be shooting any distance so i dont worry about the fact that the accuracy isnt on par with the 26. and the limited rounds i will agree more is betterbut i feel 5 would be able to handle the situation. the main thing is where are you going to carry it. the accuracy and capacity are great with the 26 but what good is it if you dont have it.

    james
     
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    I had a 26 until last year. During the 7 or 8 years that I had it, I never encountered a problem. I fired 5,000+ rounds.

    When I had the chance to get a Smith 340SC at a reasonable price, I used the 26 as trading material. Although the 26 was a dependable and accurate gun, it was just that....a gun. I never really liked or dis-liked it. It was a tool.

    The 340 replaced my 649 as my "always" gun because of its weight. I can carry it all day with no problem. The 26 could not be carried in an ankle holster or in a pocket. IWB grew uncomfortable after a few hours. In addition, the 26 was not a good-looking gun.

    Even though the 340 kicks like a mule, it is accurate and with the Crimson Trace over-molded grips, it suits my needs,

    John
     
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    Ive never worried about having something sticking slightly out, with a shirt or jacket on. take a look around and see how many people have buldes in their clothing(from cell phones, pagers, multi tools, knives, etc) The only people who will know you have a firearm is you, and the other people with the same buldge;)
     
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    Unless you need to carry shot-shell loads to dispatch rattlesnakes during hikes the .38 revolver does not even compete with the Glock for defense.