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For SD against humans, 180 gr .40 Gold Dot or HST is more than adequate. In a Glock 23, you get 13+1 in a thinner package and less recoil.

When you compare it to a 29 using Underwood ammo, the recoil difference is HUGE.

I keep a 29 loaded with 180 or 200gr Underwoods when I’m in big bear country, but anywhere In the SE, It’s a 23 for me.
 
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