I have often seen people on this board comment that that the recoil of the 40 S&W was a harsh. A few have even sworn off the round and complained that it was painful to shoot. I figured that these people were just whiners who wanted the firepower of an elephant gun with the recoil of a BB gun. But yesterday I got a glimpse of what they were talking about. I got a box of Speer Lawman 165 gr. because the range was out of the Winchester and UMC 180 gr that I usually use. This ammunition had the worst muzzle flip and flash that I have ever seen! It was much worse than the Federal 155gr. HydraShok that I have been using as my carry round. To control the recoil I had to shoot two handed and the flash was very noticeable even on a well lit range. Although the recoil wasn't painful I could see how for some people it might be. After all of the recommendations that I have read on this board for the Speer Gold Dot ammunition I was considering giving it a try this winter, but if it's anything like the Lawman I think I'll stick with my HydraShok. Has anyone had a similar experience with this or any other ammunition?