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Generals for Gun Control

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by newglocker10mm, Dec 2, 2017.

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  1. newglocker10mm

    newglocker10mm Texas Born & Breed

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    In an article on Yahoo, a group of General Officers, to include McChrystal, Wesley Clark (USA), Eric Olsen (USN), Norman Seip (USAF) and Stephen Cheney (USMC), have all joined with former congresswoman Gabby Giffords and her husband Mark in opposing the National Reciprocity Bill. The generals (and admiral) were quoted as stating (through McChrystal) that Congress no longer speaks for the American people and that approval of the reciprocity bill would weaken our national gun laws and allow untrained and potentially dangerous people to roam our neighborhoods. As a military veteran I have the utmost respect for the rank of these individuals, but find my respect of these particular individuals is below that of dog crap on my boot! During the interview, the groups lauded their knowledge and expertise of weapons as the basis for their claim about the "horrible" condition of our laws. My thoughts immediately ran to the following possibilities: 1) Sucking up to liberals for a possible political appointment at a later date. 2) Monumentally deluded as to their status. I imagine it has been over a decade since any of these personages was ever involved in any type of "action" involving weapons and have made their decisions for that same decade from their insulated offices guarded by their security staff. 3) Military viewpoint only and absolutely NO experience in the self defense or concealed carry world. 4) Just arrogant misinformed self deluded as to their own importance. Yes I realize these gentlemen have sacrificed for their country, as have I, but their opinions are as out of touch with the American public as the liberal left. I believe they are so isolated from the American citizenry that they have no idea of current statistics or situation of most Americans.
     
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    Ramjet38 SONS OF LIBERTY

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    That was one long paragraph to read, but this isn't surprising at all.

    The conservative military upper staff was fired under Obama to thumb twiddling appeasers to his likening.
     

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    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    Obama had nothing to do with it.

    General officers always like to be in control. It's no surprising that they favor gun control.
     
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    Ross-in-Pa Western Pa

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    In my family was a retired General in the US Army, now deceased.

    He was a wonderful man, but with the advance in his career becoming more of an administrative position, his views skewed to the left.

    I believe that has also happened to the men in the above article.
     
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    AK_Stick AAAMAD

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    Most generals, are liberals.

    Much like most police chiefs.



    The upper brass, does not reflect the lower workers values.
     
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    BobbyS Truth always sounds like lies to a sinner

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    idiots, it's why they are generals
     
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    Truth is, General/Admiral rank doesn't carry near the sway that it once did.
     
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    These people are unAmerican, should be court marshalled.
     
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    Generals are good at what they are paid for, that is, to lead the military. They are not good at offering up opinions on civilian social issues. I'm disappointed the former Special Operations General and the Marine General supported this.
     
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    Ramjet38 SONS OF LIBERTY

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    That's true on both parts.
    Obama fired conservative Generals, and most OFFICER's not only Generals are of the Liberal persuasion.
     
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    So none of these generals own a gun?

    If they do they are hypocritical A holes --

    If they don't they are just A holes --
     
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    Obama wasn’t POTUS in the 1980s. Back then plenty of officers spoke out against American gun ownership of military style weapons. These junior officers then are now generals or retired generals.
     
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    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    Military officers tend to be elitist snobs. That’s just the way it is. They are trustworthy but the regular Joes aren’t.

    Sounds familiar?
     
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    Bust those idiots back down to Private and let em start over...
     
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    "most officers"? Not the ones I knew.
     
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    What they think is of no concern to me. Reciprocity is a pipe-dream that's been floated to garner votes and never intended to actually occur. At this point, I'd be happy if the penalty for carrying in a non-reciprocal state would have no more weight than a parking ticket.
     
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    Ramjet38 SONS OF LIBERTY

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    I don't know the history of these Generals except Clark...the bleeding heart Bastard, but don't tell me that Obama hasn't dwindled down conservative Generals because its well know that he did, like Mattis.
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/obama-fires-top-general-without-even-a-phone-call/article/697744
     
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    Ramjet38 SONS OF LIBERTY

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    The ones I knew were.
     
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    I'm sure their point of view, is that they and their subordinates are the only ones to be trusted with firearms, since they are entrusted to wage war on behalf of the United States.

    The military are trained to follow orders, follow a plan, follow the rules of engagement, kill the enemy, wage war.

    Civilians do not need to follow the same process to protect themselves within society and to be a recognizable force for our government to consider while "governing".

    The armed civilian has a distinctly different purpose and goal than the Military, as pertains to his or her carrying firearms. We aren't determined to subjugate but to survive. The military looks to conquer. Hopefully, most survive.

    Many of these civilians have been in military service, and apparently those in charge of our armed forces seem to believe that once you are released from your obligation, you are unable to control yourself, your impulses and urges, without these same "leaders" telling you what to think and do.

    This is insulting to all Americans, when the military believe civilians are unable and unfit to govern themselves, protect themselves, and determine our country's destiny.

    The Military is supposed to answer to American Society, they are to be led by the citizenry not the other way around.

    This is one of the ways The American concept of governing differs from most of the other countries in the world. However, once given authority for some things, those in authority seem to believe they should have authority over all things. BS.

    The military holds the expertise in warfare, the civilian holds the expertize in governing and society.

    As a LEO once said to me in a traffic stop, "You leave your gun alone, and I will do the same with mine.".
     
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    My understanding is the O-7 and up personnel align more on the socialist viewpoint than conservative, so this surprises me not at all. If it were otherwise, don’t you think there would be concealed or open carry of locked and loaded weapon on bases?
     
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