Gen4 G23 Quick Review

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  1. kjdoski

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    Well, the various discussions on several forums were too much to resist, so I ran out to my favorite LE dealer today and picked up a Gen4 G23.

    The features of the new Generation of Glocks have been pretty exhaustively covered, so I'll just add these thoughts:

    1. The more I handle it, the more I like the grip reduction. The Gen4 pistols simply point more naturally to me, without any of the grip "inserts" (outserts?) installed
    1.a. HOWEVER, the removal of the 2mm off the back of the grip changes the grip geometry significantly. While the pistol points more naturally for me, I now get significant "Glock Knuckle" on the middle finger of my strong hand - a situation that has never occurred to me during several decades of shooting earlier generation Glocks.
    2. The trigger on this particular Glock was the worst I've EVER experienced on any Glock. I wish I'd taken the time to put my trigger scale to it, it had to be close to 8 pounds
    3. Glock's factory sights suck. Today was the first time I've shot Glock factories in well over a decade, simply because I don't have any spare NS to install. The polymer sight picture is awful, the rear sight is haphazardly cut, and the whole set up is "fuzzy" looking at best

    Because I'm having shoulder surgery tomorrow, followed up by two weeks of training at a "management" course (I'd rather stick a pen through my eye, but I know when a "suggestion" is really an order...), I just had to run some rounds through it. Breaking with all recommendations, the only prep I did on this pistol was running a .40 bore snake down the barrel to be sure it was clear of obstructions, then I went shooting.

    Pro:
    -No cleaning, no lube, no prep, the pistol gobbled up 300 rounds of Federal 155 gr JHP without a single hiccup

    Con:
    -Accuracy was lackluster, this particular pistol shot significantly worse than any of my 3rd Gen Glocks. In the pistol's defense, it certainly isn't "shot in" yet, and I was struggling mightily with the gosh-awful trigger and sights
    -With only 300 rounds through it, my frame has already lost polymer over "molding voids" near the left front rail. By comparison, it took about 1500 rounds to uncover those voids on my Gen4 G19, and I still have no loss of polymer in this area in either my issued 5 year old, 30,000+ round 3rd Gen; or my 2 month old, 2,000 round 3rd Gen

    Neutral:
    -Shooting at close ranges (5 yards) at generous targets (8" IPSC "A Zones") I could run the gun nearly as fast as my 3rd Gen G19. For example - shooting the "Now" drill (full magazine, reload, one additional shot), my G19 time was 8.44 seconds (no misses), the G23 time was 8.76 seconds (no misses) - even with the terrible trigger and horrible sights. My G19 also has a very nicely polished trigger action, which makes its trigger even better...
    -Recoil was definitely "softer" than my old (and now gone) 3rd Gen G23. My daily limit with the 3rd Gen was about 200-250 rounds before the recoil would start to bother my hands and wrists; I fired 300 rounds in under an hour through this pistol, and my hands/wrists feel fine. I will say, though, I've heard several people state that the recoil on one of these is equivalent to a 3rd Gen G19, but that's a SERIOUS overstatement, IMHO
    -Oddly enough, I have the same recoil spring in my Gen4 G23 as was installed in my Gen4 G19 - 0-3. I thought the point of the Gen4 series was there would be "tuned" recoil springs to each caliber - so either the Glock engineers feel that the G19 and G23 need the same spring, or they haven't gotten around to creating a "0-4" specific to the Gen4 G23...

    Sorry for the short and incomplete analysis of Glock's latest, but, unfortunately, I'm probably out of the shooting business for at least a month.

    Regards,

    Kevin
     
  2. den888

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    Nice review, thanks !
     

  3. cowboy1964

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    The sights really are bad. I struggle with both left/right and up/down with the stock sights. I much prefer 3 dots. I need to get Trijis installed as that's what I have on my 26.

    I find the Gen 4 still points higher than I would like. The different sizes of grip don't change that for me.

    I'm more accurate with the 19 than I am the 26 but I'm not as accurate as with my Sig 229 or M&P 45c.
     
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    I LOVE the Glock stock white outline plastic sights on my Gen4 G17 and Gen4 G19. During the daytime, or with at least some light at night, I much prefer the stock Glock white sights to my Triji night sites. Took the Triji's off, and never looked back. Waste of money, IMHO, but YMMV.The trigger pull on both are superb. I sold all of my Gen3's, and I much prefer the Gen4's. Just waiting to get a Gen4 G26!
     
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    Thanks for the update.

    I wouldn't sweat the accuracy too much a heavy trigger pull is tough to work with sometimes. I too find metal night sights much crisper as far as a sight picture goes. All those topped with a new strange in your hands gun will add up.

    Interesting news about the springs- previously glock used heavier slide weight to offset recoil in 9mm-40S&w guns, not sure if thats changed or not-(i.e. a 40 slide will be heavier than the 9mm slide, thus same spring).
     
  6. Apprentice

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    I don't care for Glock's stock sights and for many years I joined the chorus that totally disses them. And for my own guns and my own purposes I replace them quickly. Warren/Sevigny is my favorite.

    But my eyes have been squinting to see for 53 years. I stopped and reconsidered the Glock stock sights when my 22 year old bought a Gen 4 G17 and proceeded to pound out 2-3" 5 shot groups at 20 yds and a few at a formal 25 yd bullseye range from standing offhand (with the stock trigger too).

    My jaw dropped. He's since "upgraded" his gun with aftermarket tritium which I like more and he likes in the balance. But try as he might, he's not matched the accuracy level with the other sights yet. There could could many factors involved, not the least of which is the challenge today to find extremely accurate 9mm ammo. But may also be partly his return to the M9/92FS for the bulk of his training whereas he was on a "Glock cycle" when he smoked those groups.

    Bottom line, those sights surprised me.

    Thanks for the review Kevin. A "-" connector might be in the cards.
     
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    Kevin - do you have any NOW drill results with Gen 3 G23 to compare to those?
     
  8. kjdoski

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    Apprentice - sorry, I never shot the "Now" drill with my old G23; and because of the general noise level in the range I was shooting at yesterday, I couldn't run my old standard 5 shots in a 5" circle as a "speed limit" test...

    Another comment on the grip texture, for those who are interested. I have said before that the new texture is "grippier" than the 3rd Gen, but that was never really driven home until yesterday. Switching back and forth between the 3rd Gen G19 and the Gen4 G23, I was amazed as how "slick" the 3rd Gen felt when I picked it up immediately after handling the Gen4.

    Hopefully I'll be able to get back to some shooting in a month or so - more to follow...

    Regards,

    Kevin
     
  9. JBarbaresi

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    is your slide finish the new flat gray, non-teflon finish or is it similar to your gen3 finishes?