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Gen 1 / 1st gen / First Generation Glock 19

Discussion in 'Glock Collector's Club' started by Sig_Fiend, Mar 20, 2012.

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  1. Sig_Fiend

    Sig_Fiend

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    gen 1 / 1st gen / first generation / first gen

    Please excuse the title and any cryptic/redundant text. It was a PITA finding search terms that would find any info on first gen 19's, so I'm using every variation I can think of to help people searching in the future. I was lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time and picked up one of the "mythical" gen 1 19's (1988 production). I just have 1 picture at the moment, but I'll get more soon. It didn't have the original case and just came with one original mag unfortunately, though the gun is in fairly decent shape for the age.

    The notable differences with these guns, over second generation 19's, are the grip angle and reduced arch (it's effectively like a Gen 1 17 that's been grip chopped). The gun feels great, and feels like a gen 2 19 with a heat reduction on the arch. In addition to that, the original recoil spring assembly (RSA) is uncaptured.

    One notable thing is, on the right side of the slide (right side as in looking at the gun from the back) is stamped K.S. A.B.C. for Kansas State Alcoholic Beverage Control. Judging by the minimal information I was able to find out there, the very few gen 1 19's I was able to find pictures of all appeared to be stamped with these same markings for this same LE department.

    Thankfully all serial numbers match on this gun, barrel, slide, frame, as well as all the proof marks.

    I spent a significant amount of time researching these first gen 19's. It was difficult to find any sort of definitive info regarding the origins of these guns. The best conclusion I could come to with the minimal info available is, it appears to me that in 1988 there were a handful of these first gen 19's imported (info varies from roughly ~12-24 guns, maybe a few more but not very many). It sounds to me like it may be a possibility they were imported for testing by the ATF to determine legality and eligibility for importation, and then subsequently were purchased by or donated to the Kansas State Alcoholic Beverage Control for issue.

    I had trouble finding much info on these. What I did find was minimal at best, with a total lack of pictures or good pictures. I plan on helping change that. I'll get as many pics as I can to better document these rare guns. Here's one to get started:

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    Nice!


    I assume the first two letters of the serial number are "DN", or "AN"?
     

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    Yep, it is AN4XX.
     
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    ok enquiring minds want to know..... how much did you plink down for this beauty.
     
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    Looks to me like a G17 frame was cut to the size of a G19. I don't believe it is a true Gen 1 G19.

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    If the markings and serial number are correct (as stated "AN4XX") ...I think it is legit.
     
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    ok so are you just this ignorant to know how to read??:dunno:

     
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    Call Glock.'08. :upeyes:
     
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    I will be more clear. I believe the frame was cut by someone other than Glock.


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    I think OP is indicating by all the serial numbers matching, the slide is a G19 slide, then the receiver would have to be a different serial number if it was originally a G17 cut down to accept a G19 slide.

    All evidence suggests this (photo) is a legit gen 1 Glock 19. Now, the OP has to prove he did not just snap a pic of it, or find one on the internet and claim it is in his possession. So yes, some more photos would indicate the OP is legit.
     
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    If all the numbers match, then yes, it is a real Gen 1 G19, and the first pic of one I have ever seen.

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    More pics would settle this.Again,more pics please!
     
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    :agree:
     
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    That looks exactly the same as mine. K.S. A.B.C.

    If you do a search here you'll find several pictures that I posted of it.
     
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    I want to know where the OP found it for sale.

    As far as I know, all Gen1 G19's were made with 'cut down' G17 frames.

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    PM me if you would like to discuss a price that would give you a nice profit.

    I have never wanted to own a Glock as much as I want one of these K.S. A.B.C. factory cut 19's.
     
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    How about some more pics OP?
     
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    Sorry guys for the lack of response. Between having a full time job, building my business on the side (in itself a full time job), preparing for the purchase of a house next month, planning for a wedding.......I basically have no free time left. ;) I'll try to get some pics ASAP, but I've had a lot on my plate lately.
     
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    Nice!

    I would love to hear the story behind finding this for sale somewhere. Talk about lucky! Did you buy a lottery ticket that day, too??