For putting around town and the occasional jaunts to work, hauling leather pants/textile pants around get to be inconvenient, so I've been exploring some alternative street pants. I'm too paranoid to wear regular denim or khaki, so I was checking into the riding denims. Draggin' Jeans are hard to find and I didn't want to buy something that I can't touch and examine, so it came down toAlpine Star , Joe Rocket , and Icon . I understand that Shift also makes jeans but it is pretty much the same as with Draggin Jeans with the availability issue. Out of the offerings from Alpine Star, Joe Rocket and Icon, I chose the Alpine Star because it has CE-approved knee cups and it IS made by Alpine Star which is well known for good quality. The jean is cut loose fit with the carpenter-style (i.e. hammer loop, pencil/level pockets). I am very disappointed with the lack of information at A-Star's website. I don't know what the weight of the denim is, nor the material that the abrasion resistant liner is made out of. But upon inspection, the whole unit has a good "heft" to it. Not too scientific, but I am ready to put my trust in A-Star's reputation. Since that I am a fatso, I had to go with the size 38 (which does not correspond to a 38 waist but more like a 40 waist). The legs are very long (once again I don't know if the legs are all cut the same length throughout the waist sizes or shorter with smaller waist size), which is good because I can bob about 3-inches off the hem and still have plenty of hang-off so that the legs won't ride up past the boots when I'm on the saddle. The fit is loose and comfortable. Maybe too loose? But A-Star claimed that it's "engineered" loose fit, whatever that means. The coloring isn't consistent as you guys can see: one pants is darker blue than the other. The abrasion liner extends past the knees in the front and form pockets for the knee cups. In the back it extended past the buttocks and half way down the thigh. The denim itself is typical of modern jeans that come pre-washed because it's already soft and pliable. Comfortable to wear right away. The "poly" (their words, not mine) liner makes for decent windbreaker and I can tell that this pants will be warmer than standard denim in the summer. MSRP is $99 but I got for much less at MotorHelmets.com, my favored gears dealer. A-Star also makes a cargo pants in the similar manner but has more pockets and more ventilation for MSRP $119. I guess I can't complain much about the pants (bought 2-pairs) and hope that I won't have to put it to The Test - knock on wood.