[Hydra-SHOKz]

I just paid $739 for my CR920 all black with optic cut. Not really that much more then I paid for my last 48mos. Machining and finish is clearly better then Glock. Sights are easily better. Grip texture is excellent and in the right places. Optics cut is well done with that little plastic insert. Trigger could be better, but I'm hoping it will self-correct with some use. Mags look to be well made. Fits in my Glock 43/43X/48 holsters. If this thing is reliable, it will be a winner.

 

[yep380]

And for the record, my Palmetto State Armory Dagger™ thread was created almost two years ago (May 19, 2021) in the Firearms Forums > General Firearms Forum after having consulted with GlockTalk admins. On December 30, 2022, a GlockTalk admin moved my thread under the Palmetto State Armory Vendor Member Section. Two weeks later another GlockTalk admin deleted my thread falsely claiming that I had posted it under the Palmetto State Armory Vendor Member Section. The thread had been viewed over one quarter million times. Thousands of hours of my time gone.

I know you don’t want to derail this thread, but I have to ask:

Did you receive any kind of apology?

I’m really baffled that a thread that added so much value to this forum and drove traffic to this site was deleted.

 

[wickedbeernut]

Did you receive any kind of apology?

I’m really baffled that a thread that added so much value to this forum and drove traffic to this site was deleted.

I'm confident the GlockTalk admins can still restore the thread. I've told them that I'll make whatever modifications to the thread they feel necessary. No luck. I've been told the thread "stays down".

The GlockTalk admins identified two issues ...

First, the GlockTalk admins claimed the thread gives the impression that I represent PSA. The first paragraph of the thread stated (and has always stated),

The author of this thread is not affiliated with Palmetto State Armory or any other company under the JJE Capital Holdings, LLC umbrella. The opinions expressed within the content are solely the author's and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of Palmetto State Armory.​

I'm not sure how I could've made it more clear that I don't represent PSA. A GlockTalk admin just needs to tell me what modifications to make in this regard and I'll gladly make them.

Second, the GlockTalk admins claimed that I was driving traffic off-site. On the contrary, I was driving traffic to GlockTalk. I created "aliases" in order to forward community members to specific posts within the thread from across the Internet. For example, the alias,

"http://wickedstone.com/Dagger/DaggerHolsters"​

forwarded community members to,

"https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/palmetto-state-armory-dagger™.1896913/post-30438833"​

The alias was simply more human-readable and compact as compared to the cryptic post URL. The end result was exactly the same regardless of whether a community member clicked on the alias or the post URL.

I offered to delete all of the aliases and replace them with the corresponding post URL. No luck. I was told the thread "stays down".

I spent thousands of hours developing this content with the sole purpose of helping GlockTalk members and the broader Dagger community. A GlockTalk member recently referred to the thread as the "Dagger bible". I don't profit from the content in any way, shape, or form. The content was technical in nature, factual, and accurate. I would think this is the type of content GlockTalk wants. I'm equally baffled.

 

[vindibona1]

First, I don't think I'd want to do a chop on my 43x. As someone suggested, if I wanted to go that route I'd buy a CR920 first which looks like a better solution for less money overall.

Based on the complaints voiced here (and other forums) about issues with the SA mags, as well as the SA mag release damaging the pistol I'd have to agree.

Shield Arms magazine FTF. Both of Them.

Shield Arms magazines experience

Shield Arms S-15 Feeding Fix

Shield Arms

Shield Arms SB15 problem

Home Forums The Armory Gun-Parts & Access. Shield Arms S15 mag failures

That's just a sampling from here on GT and doesn't include the plethora of sites that report problems doing a quick google search. I would not compare the level of reliability with OEM Glock mags. While it's true some report no issues (and that's great) I think there is enough information available to provide considerable justification for concern.

There is no doubt that the S15s have received a number of complaints of FTFs and other malfunctions. I have to believe that they are flawless in about 80% of the Glocks they're tested in. But that leaves 20%, which would account for numerous complaints. And yes, it's true that you must have total confidence in your EDC pistol.

That being said, 80% of the owners are satisified users of the S15's, me being one, at least with my 43x. My buddy has been using them in his 43x and 48, his 48 I put about 100 rounds with th S15's less than 2 weeks ago and put another 100 round through my 43x without a single failure of any kind.

However, since then I got my own 48MOS and could mix n match uppers and lowers, with the steel catch already in my 43x. I don't know how many rounds I put through the 48 upper and tested 43x lower, but I did have one stove-pipe (where the shell casing didn't eject). I don't know. It might have been the ammo as later on with a complete 48 and OEM mag I had at least one round not go into full battery, so it could have been the ammo. I don't know. I'll continue to test the mixed upper/lower combination.

For the record, I have no intention of putting a steel catch in my 48 and will only use OEM mags in that lower. I had no problem with the 43 upper and the 48 lower and OEM mags. So I feel safe and secure with both complete pistols, but will have to do more extensive testing with the 43x lower and 48 upper.

One thing that I might have mentioned in another thread, one of the OEM mags was getting hung up in the first stages of the 48's mag well. I had to rock the mag back to get it to complete insertion. Filing the plastic front edge of the mag seems to have corrected the problem. It would have been a disaster if I had to do a rapid mag change in a SD situation as it came from the factory. "Glock perfection" isn't always perfect. Just saying.

... One more thing. It was surprising to me that there is a different trigger pull feel when doing mix n match as opposed to pulling the trigger with each pistol with complete matched parts. I'm not sure how to describe the difference yet. I think it's either take-up or feel of the break, though both triggers pull at about 5 pounds. When I put the 48 on the 43x lower or vice versa and there is a completely different feel. I dunno. I have to think it has to do with how the striker sits on the cruciform kickup. I did a check with an armore's plate on the 48 and there is more meat of the striker on the cruciform than with the complete 48 than there is with the 43x. I'll look more closely at those elements with the mix n match thing the next time I go to clean my pistols. Just my observation.

 

[hudson69]

I quit carrying my G43 and carry my G43x instead. If just the frame was available I would take the slide off of my 43 run it as a BUG to my X. The entire reason I do not do so now is because of the mags not being interchangeable. That would be nice. Now if they will make a sleeve or adapter for the 43 mags that will allow them to be used as well. That would help. Here is a question. If someone just sells a 43x chopped grip frame, will the trigger and other parts of a 43 work, allowing you to basically swap frames and keep all of the OEM parts?

 

[GlockyQ]

Here is a question. If someone just sells a 43x chopped grip frame, will the trigger and other parts of a 43 work, allowing you to basically swap frames and keep all of the OEM parts?

You will need a new Magazine Catch (Part #47558) for the G43X/48 to go with the "chopped G43X/48 frame". Otherwise, all other frame parts should be interchangeable including the updated Slide Stop Lever and Spring for the G43 (Part #33731 - marked "33730-1" on the bar), which is identical to the Slide Stop Lever and Spring for the G43X/48 (Part #47877 - marked "47876") except for the number stamped on the bar.

If your G43 does not have the updated Slide Stop Lever and Spring for the G43 (Part #33731 - marked "33730-1" on the bar) but still has the old Slide Stop Lever and Spring (marked "33730" on the bar), you will need a new Slide Stop lever and Spring - either for the G43X/48 (Part #47877 - marked "47876") or the updated Slide Stop Lever and Spring for the G43 (Part #33731 - marked "33730-1" on the bar), which is identical to the Slide Stop Lever and Spring for the G43X/48 (Part #47877 - marked "47876") except for the number stamped on the bar.

 

[et45]

No thanks.What Iike most about the 43x is the full grip.


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[hpclayto]

No thanks.What Iike most about the 43x is the full grip.


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Well it’s clearly not for you, it’s for people that want a 43 sized gun with more capacity.

 

[Gman3101]

Well it’s clearly not for you, it’s for people that want a 43 sized gun with more capacity.

Which can be done by using a Shield magazine in a 43 with the OEM sized grip.

 

[Mike Papa]

The whole point would be to pocket carry the G43X Chopped Grip and then you could also normal carry a G43X (not necessarily at the same time). But both could share the same normal size spare mags and not have to keep up with two different size spares. Same as carrying a G19/26 combo with G17 spare mags for both. Keep it simple!!!

 

[yep380]

Which can be done by using a Shield magazine in a 43 with the OEM sized grip.

There is no Shield mag for the 43 with an OEM sized grip. The Z9 mag makes the 43 almost, if not as long as a 43x. Shield Arms completely missed the boat on that one.

A grip chopped 43x with a decent capacity mag would make for a great pocket pistol. You could carry a 15rd shield mag or Glock 10rd mag for backup/spare.

In my case, I wouldn’t carry a gun like that as I’m pretty much an OEM only person. I’d definitely like the option to experiment with it though. It’ll be even better if PSA comes out with a 43x clone where I could just buy the frame. Even better would be a pre-chopped PSA 43x clone.

 

[Gman3101]

You are correct, it isn’t flush fit. I said OEM grip, not OEM total length.

But it’s also not an extended mag hanging out the bottom either.

So you chop the grip down on a 43X, still need a longer mag. End of day, a certain size grip will hold a certain number of rounds.

There are plenty of choices out there. As I said in the beginning, this is a solution to a non-existent problem. Want a small gun, carry the 43, want more rounds, carry the 43X and/or extra magazines.

 

[GlockyQ]

I always argue that 1) Glock's OE magazine tube and 2) the OE Magazine Catch are two critically important components to ensure the "out-of-the-box" reliability that Glock is famous for. That is because 1) the factory magazine lips dictate the feed angle of the cartridges relative to the feeding ramp and 2) the factory cut notch for the mag catch and the OEM mag catch dictate exactly where and at what angle the loaded factory magazine is positioned inside the grip frame....

For these reasons and because of its length, I too am NOT interested in SA Z9 magazine for the G43 at all. I would rather keep using my "proven to me" MagGuts'ed OEM magazines in my G43s, even though they offer a couple of rounds less than the Z9 mag....

That being said, and fully understanding the "increased risk of undermined reliability" when "grip-chopping" the G43X and using entirely aftermarket magazines and an aftermarket steel magazine catch, the size of the "grip-chopped G43X" combined with a "flush-fit 10-rounder magazine" is still too attractive for me to just dismiss/ignore (IF the combination works reliably with JHP ammo)...
That is basically my dream "G43 update," which Glock as the original manufacturer should be making with the OEM flush-fit 8-rounder mags...

As I said in the beginning, this is a solution to a non-existent problem. Want a small gun, carry the 43, want more rounds, carry the 43X and/or extra magazines.

Actually this is definitely one "possible" solution to a real existing problem with the original G43, which Glock still refuses to update...

We G43 fanboys are greedy, so we want a small Glock pistol of the G43 size but also want a few more rounds without extending the grip length. (Yeah, I've already got a P365, but it ain't a Glock, ya know? ) However, because this "possible" solution comes with the "reasonable risk" of undermined reliability," many of us the G43 fanboys are still hesitant to try it....

 

[That_FNG]

Kinda like this one I picked up yesterday. 10+1 flush and 13+1 extended is a pretty nice setup. Problem with chopping the Glock is, what happens if it isn't reliable with S10 mags? Do you make sure it's reliable with S15 mags before you chop?

I recently picked up one as well. Have put 200 rounds of FMJ 115-124gr) and 50 rounds of hollowpoints (124-147gr) thru it with no failures. If I get to the 1k mark with no failures I will consider it good enough for carry.

 

[337657]

I don't care what someone decides to chop off. It doesn't affect me at all. My EDC always goes bang. That's all I care about.

I hate meatloaf.

 

[yep380]

You are correct, it isn’t flush fit. I said OEM grip, not OEM total length.

But it’s also not an extended mag hanging out the bottom either.

Not trying to be argumentative here, but what is an “oem grip” vs “oem total length”?

The shield arms Z9 mag is an extended mag hanging out the bottom of the G43. I haven’t seen any 1-on-1 comparison pics, but it looks to me like it increases the height of the G43 to that of the G43x.

 

[biscut53]

I'm a big fan of the 43X NOT chopped version. If I wanted a lesser grip to that extend I'd not have sold my Kahr PM9.

 

[Mike Papa]

I love the G43X also. But a Chopped Grip would add more options with the ability to use the same larger spare mags!!!

 

[GigG]

You could always use an OEM Glock 10-round G43X/G48 magazine, but then what's the point of chopping the G43X/G48 frame.

Exactly

 

[PilatusTurbo]

I get that many people have had their great successes with SA mags in their 43X/48. Probably the vast majority. However, from the many instances we've seen, just here, of those mags still have major reliability problems... I just don't see this being a good way to go. I tried messing around with Mags/Capacity with aftermarket stuff in the 43 to get more capacity. It taught me that OEM mags, and parts for the most part, are the way to go.

Instances of people having reliability issues with Glock magazines are far fewer than SA. I'm sure @Gman3101 will ask me to cite that, but that's not the point. Point is, of course there are issues with Glock mags, but I'd bet quite confidently that issues with OEM/unmodified Glock mags are orders of magnitude lower than the new kid on the block SA. Those mags have only been out a few years, and they are working diligently to make them better with each iteration, but many more issues in just a couple years. Glock mags have been working pretty darn well for, like 30+ years.

@GlockyQ states it well. Magazine body and feed lip dimensions/angles are critically important. Changing the body and other parts of the magazine to affect capacity are probably going to change some critical tolerances.

Too bad Glock won't work on it themselves.