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G29 ballistics

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by 1canvas, Sep 7, 2012.

  1. 1canvas

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    what kind of real ballistics can I get from a G29 shooting Hornady's 180grn. 10mm?
    I'm thinking of a new woods gun.
     
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  2. PghJim

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    I would suggest getting an extrended barrel for woods. I have a 4.5" Storm Lake barrel in mine. It really does not make the gun any bigger. I would also go with Underwood Ammo, which is probably hotter than Hornady factory.

    http://www.underwoodammo.com/10mmauto180grainxtpjacketedhollowpointboxof50.aspx

    My extended barrel shoots these over 1,300fps. I have not chronogrphed the stock barrel, but would bet it is significantly under 1,200fps.
     

  3. unit1069

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    I suspect a stock setup with the ammo you mention would do just fine in Ohio. If you're worried about not having enough penetration power then the hard cast ammo would probably solve that concern.
     
  4. fredj338

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    IMO, woods guns are revolvers, but a G29 in Ohio, yeah sure, why not. You can easily get a good 180gr-200gr bullet running 1100fps. For me, woods gun means versitile; light or heavy loads, including shot loads for snakes & small game close. If large carnivores are in the mix, then that means 41mag & heavier. No semiauto can go there, not even the perceived awesome 10mm.
     
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  5. 1canvas

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    I hear about most 10mm loads being watered down from the larger ammo makers and I'm not hot on using ammo from the smaller companies. I see too many posts about inflated ballistics or bullets used that are beyond their speed limits and performing poorly.
     
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    I would consider the G20. Yea it's a bit bigger and heavier but the advantages far outweight the disadvanges....IMO.

    And FWIW.....I would rather have 16 hot 10mm zingers on hand vs a 6 shot wheel gun!!!
     
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    Is there a questioned in this? I removed the link from my other post so you will not be tempted to use high speed, poor performing bullets.
     
  8. 1canvas

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    yes, the question was does anyone know or have chrono results for a 180grn 10mm factory Hornady load?
     
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    I am also thinking of a G30sf and buying a 10mm conversion barrel and 10mm mag. I understand thats doable. I would also have the 10mm barrel a little longer like PghJim suggested. I seen one today for 519.00 new.
     
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    Yeah, for those that miss a lot, I can see the advantage.:upeyes: Seriously, if your intent is protection against large predators, you wil not get off more than a shot or two & they would need to deliver a decisive blow. A 10mm is still pretty much a service round, a 41mag or 44mag or heavy 45colt is well beyond that. Then their is the versaitility that all semiautos lack, but to each his own. For most of us, it is a walk in the woods & nothing happens.:dunno:
     
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    I shoot the 155 gr. Hornady out of a 29 and it chronographed a few fps faster than advertised on the box, if the 180 performs in a similar manner...Hornady publishes velocity on their website.
     
  12. uz2bUSMC

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    There's no point in jumping from a 10mm to a .41. Might as well go with a .44 so there is a realistic gap. The versatility of the 10mm in the OP scenario is that he can change a mag when he gets back into his car after the woods trip and put his people bullets back in. Some of us don't like to switch to a 4lb revolver for the woods and back to a semi auto for urban carry. Especially for black bear or less.

    [/QUOTE]Yeah, for those that miss a lot, I can see the advantage. Seriously, if your intent is protection against large predators, you wil not get off more than a shot or two & they would need to deliver a decisive blow.[/QUOTE]

    1 or 2 shots off before what? You give up? Personally, if I don't drop my gun and the critter wasn't fortunate enough to rip my head off in the first second or two, yea I'll take the 11 rnds for a G29 or 16 in a G20. It's gettin' them all if I can help.
     
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    Yeah, for those that miss a lot, I can see the advantage. Seriously, if your intent is protection against large predators, you wil not get off more than a shot or two & they would need to deliver a decisive blow.[/QUOTE]

    1 or 2 shots off before what? You give up? Personally, if I don't drop my gun and the critter wasn't fortunate enough to rip my head off in the first second or two, yea I'll take the 11 rnds for a G29 or 16 in a G20. It's gettin' them all if I can help.[/QUOTE]

    Understand that, if the numbers were true. My 3" M629 doesn't weigh much more than a fully loaded G20. I can also & do switch loads out for the trip home in the car, I don't need bear penetration on the street. Again, look at the vast majority of animal attacks, you'll be lucky to get the gun out of the holster, by then you may be rolling around on the ground trying to fire w/ one hand likely. The semiauto will fire once then just as likely to jamb from either a less than perfect strong hand only grip or a slide contact. Now you have a not very efficient plastic club to fight with.
    I think too many guys think an animal attack is going to be an IDPA event, where you see it coming & have time to engage, it is NOT likely to be that way, not by a long shot. SO if I only get one shot off, then I want it to have a better chance of ending that fight & a 10mm is still a service round. Sure better than a pocket knife, but just my take on a true woods gun as as SD tool. It needs to be able to do a lot of things well, no 10mm can say that.:dunno:
     
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  14. uz2bUSMC

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    1 or 2 shots off before what? You give up? Personally, if I don't drop my gun and the critter wasn't fortunate enough to rip my head off in the first second or two, yea I'll take the 11 rnds for a G29 or 16 in a G20. It's gettin' them all if I can help.[/QUOTE]

    Understand that, if the numbers were true. My 3" M629 doesn't weigh much more than a fully loaded G20. I can also & do switch loads out for the trip home in the car, I don't need bear penetration on the street. Again, look at the vast majority of animal attacks, you'll be lucky to get the gun out of the holster, by then you may be rolling around on the ground trying to fire w/ one hand likely. The semiauto will fire once then just as likely to jamb from either a less than perfect strong hand only grip or a slide contact. Now you have a not very efficient plastic club to fight with.
    I think too many guys think an animal attack is going to be an IDPA event, where you see it coming & have time to engage, it is NOT likely to be that way, not by a long shot. SO if I only get one shot off, then I want it to have a better chance of ending that fight & a 10mm is still a service round. Sure better than a pocket knife, but just my take on a true woods gun as as SD tool. It needs to be able to do a lot of things well, no 10mm can say that.:dunno:[/QUOTE]

    You mistook what I meant. My fault for not saying it correctly. I certainly don't think it would be like an IDPA event, I was meaning if you were tangled up with the animal. I don't see how you think the 10mm can't do a lot of things well. It covers a wide margin from SD to hunting. For the game it can reasonalby take it can do it very well meanwhile doubling as a great SD platform by profile and capacity. Although semis can find a host of things that will make them malfunction doesn't mean that wheelies guns don't.
    The 3" 629 seems to me to be package of diminishing returns. Lots of powder that would like more bbl to burn it. Great, you have 6 potent cartridges that are neutered for animal defense or one that doesn't make much sense for personal protection over conventional service pistols. Goodluck with your follow up shots outta that thing with the "definitive blow" loads. If black bear is someones biggest worry, 10mm is more than fine.
     
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    Seriously, the 10mm fanatics crack me up. A 4", even a 3" 44mag out shines a 10mm, especially G29, in raw power & penetration. If you call a 43cal/270gr bullet doing 1200fps nuetered, ok, but if a solid, it will not stop inside a 1000# animal from most angles. Make it something that moderately expands, it's still going to go thru most anything else one may encounter. Your choice, mine will always be a heavy hitting revolver for a serious trail gun. Sure, if I am walking the woods back east, a 9mm would likely do as anything. Yes, a modest size black bear will fall to even a 9mm carefully placed, but we are not talking hunting & controled shots. You are not likley to get that if in a surprise animal attack. JMO, I have made the argument, it's always a choice. FWIW, you never have responded to the verstility issue. No semi can be as versitile as a revolver; Shot loads to bunnyfarts for small game to bear stompers, all in the same platform by just changing ammo, no semi can do that. Yes it takes more dedication to get good w/ a magnum rev vs a service pistol, but that is the trade off for the better round.:supergrin:
     
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  16. uz2bUSMC

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    I did respond to the versatility issue. But I guess you wanted more. We'll take the G29 the OP uses vs your 629.

    Let's see. If I want a light load I can do that. If I want a really light load I can get a reduced power recoil spring and do that. If I want a 230 with a nice wide meplat at 1300 fps that will give a thru&thru on all 10mm appropriate game, I can do that. If I want a longer barrel so as not to waste a bunch of powder like your wheely, I can drop one in. If I want to shoot .40 I can get a bbl an do that. What about the .357 sig or 9x25? Yep, can do that too. The round count you ask? Why yes, I can add an extended mag, I'm not stuck with the standard amount the gun came with. I can take the slide off and put one on that shoots .22lr. I can put snake shot in then, they suck, won't chamber the slide but it still counts. Oh, almost forgot, should I have the need or want... I can suppress it. So I'd say unless your beloved wheely can talk like a parrot or cook pancakes it's not gonna impress me enough with it's "versatility" over the G29.

    ETA: That round is neutered in comparison to what it would be doing out of a 6" bbl.
     
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    Glock G20 6" barrel = 30 ounces
    S&W 629 4" barrel = 42 ounces

    G20 OAL with 6" barrel = 9.65"
    629 OAL with 4" barrel = 9.63"

    G20 round capacity = 15
    629 round capacity = 6

    10mm 200gr (pick your poison...XTP...HardCast...) @ 1350fps = 809 lb-ft
    44mag 270gr (pick your poison...Gold Dot...HardCast) @ 1200fps = 863 lb-ft


    Between the above two choices there is NO WAY I would choose the revolver!!! Also, to simply give up the difference in round count shown above, arbitrarily, because you somehow thing the two loads listed will somehow perform any amount differently worth noting is a joke. It is also a joke to suggest the two plaforms above practially weigh the same. They don't.

    That said, if someone still chooses to choose the revolver in the above scenario, well that's just fine with me, as the last time I checked, it's still a half way free country. But lets leave the nonsense/mistruths/misconceptions out of it.
     
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    While avoiding the CF that this thread has become, I will note to the OP that you will lose about 60-80 fps from a G29 over the published ballistics for 10mm on the Hornady site.

    That's not a bad thing. My normal carry load for my G29 is Win 175 Silvertip and I have chronoed it at 1250 fps. My woods load is the Cor-Bon 180 Bonded Core Soft Point (great penetration and expansion in ballistic media to about .53 caliber, with 100% weight retention.) It also shoots to the same POI as the Win load.

    If you are going with the Hornady XTP bullet (which is an EXCELLENT slug) and have not zeroed for 180 grain rounds, I would suggest their 200 grain XTP. It shoots a bit higher than the 180 loads but I have harvested a half dozen wild hogs with that load from my G29 and its terminal perfomance was excellent. It penetrates VERY WELL, and expands to about .55 caliber.

    Even from the shorter barrel on the G29, the 10 mm is a 'low end' .41 Mag load... and in a very compact package.

    I'm keeping mine. And, when I walk in the woods it's in my holster.
     
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    SOrry uz, I am not sure you understand versatility. So you carry reduced power recoils springs into the field with you along w/ the other bbl & slide? Maybe I wasn't clear, I meant field versatility. Yeah, that's what a trail gun is supposed to be for, use on the trail for any purpose from bears to rabbits & any two legged vermin w/ reliability under possible bad conditions. Maybe we just travel diff trails.:dunno:
     
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    Wow, you guys are as bad as some politicians playing loose & fast w/ "facts". A G20/6" loaded weighs 42oz, the 4" M629 is 47oz. If you are going to count the mag cap, you have to count the ammo wt. SO pretty close. Next, I am calling BS on you getting 1350fps safely w/ even a 6" bbl, much less from a std G20 or the OP G29. I can do much better w/ a 4" 44mag & heavier bullet, I noted 1200fps in a "neutered" 3". Then the entire field verisatility issues is completely dismissed, which it should not be for a serious trail gun. So we agree to disagree. Hey, I like the 10mm, probably shooting & loading for it longer than you, but I understand it's limitations. It offers slightly lighter field weight & mag cap. Reality, mag cap against a dangerous animal is almost moot, you'll never get the rounds off. IMO, pretending the 10mm is anything really more than a good service caliber or medium game, short range hunting gun is a joke. As Chris said, a "low end 41mag" at best.:dunno:
     
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