I plan on hiking again in the near future. When I do this I plan on carrying my G23, either openly, or concealed however my pack, temperature, laws, etc. allow. My idea of a good woods load is a deep penetrating non expanding bullet. I have been looking at hot 180 grain loads. I really like some of the hot 165 grain loads and I believe they might get more penetration. Does anyone have any suggestions, or test out these FMJ's? I've also thought about using XTP's and that is a serious option. However, I can't find anyone other than DT that loads them hot, and we all know about the DT drama as of late. Thoughts? Ideas? Please, no get a bigger gun, etc.. I can't afford a bigger gun, this is what I have.