for those who don't feel comfortable carrying a "cocked & locked" SA for CC

How many c&l options are there for pocket carry? :dunno:

I would not carry C&L in a pocket, personally. If something swipes off the safety all you are left with is a light trigger in a bad position.

I believe most people feel more comfortable with the DA because it is not cocked. The gun being cocked makes most people feel it is just about to go off at any second with the slightest provocation. A lot of people have never learned to trust their safety.

As for pocket carry, I would not carry a SA cocked and locked in a pocket. Too much chance of fouling up the hammer/firing pin mechanisms. I would also never, ever consider carrying in a pocket without a pocket holster. I would not consider it safe to have an unprotected trigger in a place hands are meant to go.

Cocked & locked can be accidentally swiped to the safety off position by a nudge or bump by a chair or handrail or seatbelt ect ect. I have personal experience with this happening with my 1911 that had ambi controls.

With a DA - Bumping or brushing up against it isnt going deactivate the safety because there is none to deactivate. It also will not cock the gun and release the trigger which is the definition of a double action.

Is it better? Under certain conditions like pocket carry...I'd say yes.

No way I would carry C&L in pocket, even with a holster. The Sig P238 is one such gun. They really should have made that a DAO gun.

flakxd said:

but who carry a loaded DA for CC, what is the difference for you?

is it simply the shorter trigger pull? the risk of the hammer snagging?

keep in mind i'm mainly talking about pocket carry.


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Yeah, no cocked and locked pocket carry for me.

That sounds foolish, to be honest.

I carried my P238 in a galco pocket holster for over a year. Never once did the safety accidentally get switched off. I felt comfortable the whole time. I would have had to take off the safety, remove the gun from the holster and pull the trigger for the gun to go off, and not once did any of those things happen by themselves, let alone all 3 things at once.

I have a Sig p238 and I carry C&L in a D.M. Bullard leather pocket holster. It has never "gone off", the safety has never moved,but even if it did, the trigger is still protected. If you don't feel comfortable with C&L, carry it around for a month on an unloaded chamber in an appropriate pocket holster and you will see you have nothing to worry about. When I first started to carry I was leary with a DA/SA, but as long as the trigger is protected so are you.

...still curious as to what C&L SA's the OP thinks are small enough for pocket carry...Kimber Ultra?

I'm comfortable as can be with a C&L SA carried IWB in a proper rig. But pocket carry? No, not interested.

Are you doing product research?

I Wouldn't carry c&l in my pocket. Not because it's unsafe. I agree with hawler that with a holster and normal safety rules it's not inherently dangerous. I wouldn't want the hammer and firing pin exposed in my pocket. I've seen plenty of c&l guns with lint built up in the firing pin recess. In a pocket this would be compounded. The truth is that most people don't pay enough attention to their carry gun. They handle it everyday but seldom check it. I'd hate to need my gun and it won't go off because it's packed with lint. I've had several local cops bring in guns(metal Smiths) that were completely clogged with lint. They couldn't have gone off unless the lint was somehow knocked free by repeated hammer strikes. They were lucky they didn't find it out on the street.

dosei said:

...still curious as to what C&L SA's the OP thinks are small enough for pocket carry...Kimber Ultra?

I'm comfortable as can be with a C&L SA carried IWB in a proper rig. But pocket carry? No, not interested.

Are you doing product research?

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Sig P238 and the Colt Mustang are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head.

When I bought my first handgun I was very nervous with not having a safety. After a couple of months I changed my mind.

With the exception of the Ruger Mark II --- which I never carry for self-protection --- none of my handguns have safeties. Aside from the danger (instinctive, for me) of carrying a cocked and locked single action pistol I have read enough accounts where during a dire emergency forgetting to deactivate a safety or fumbling with one has led to unfortunate consequences for the defender.

No problem with cocked and locked in a regular holster.
Cocked and locked in your pocket just sounds bad.

In fact, "cocked" will take on a whole new meaning.

yes, I am speaking specifically about the p238 being "cocked n' locked" in a pocket holster.

most carry a DA loaded (with one in the chamber, and no safety), but don't feel comfortable with a SA loaded (with one in the chamber, and safety on).

I can understand the fear of the hammer snagging, one not wanting to switch the safety off while un-holstering, etc. but is the biggest fear not having the safety on and the difference between the SA and DA the lighter trigger pull? or just the fact that the hammer is already back, regardless of the trigger pull?


and bac, i sent you a pm. don't know if you received it or not.

pocket carry is a bad idea regardless of what gun you're packing.

loose change belongs in pockets, handguns belong in belt holsters.

I have discovered any "locked" gun condition will cause my brain malfunction under stress conditions.
Draw-charge-fire or draw-fire (DA/SfA) works best for me. All guns have the same trigger, and slide, but the safety lever is in different position and different shape.

C&L SA CC is forbidden here.

BEER said:

pocket carry is a bad idea regardless of what gun you're packing.

loose change belongs in pockets, handguns belong in belt holsters.

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well what do you wear to conceal your belt holstered side arm? a vest? a jacket? I live in Florida, so it's very difficult to dress to conceal.


and to the guy above me, Lt., is that a law in Prague? or just a rule you go by? why not just keep the safety off when C&L with a SA?

Pfft. I pocket carry my Colt Mustang in Condition One often without a second thought. I'm actually more comfortable carrying it like that than I am when pocket carrying my G26.

I have a Desantis Nemesis for each of them.

I'm in the SA 'safety' accidently getting accidently disengaged camp. Or the would you cock a fully loaded stubby revolver and then stick it in your pocket or waist, even with a good holster?

None of my carry pistols are single action for just this reason. No manner how I carry them (pocket or otherwise) they're all going to be double action only, with a good holster appropriate for the way they are being carried.

I own several single action pistols and enjoy shooting them in a leisurely range situation. But I will not carry them CCW, even with a proper holster. I plan to stick with one system when the chips are down. One less thing to remember.