I think you answered your own question (the first one).Originally posted by fitz4609
If the civilian leaders had no legal authority to order the confiscation of weapons from the citizens would it be a legal order?
Should the burden rest on the officers in charge since they have sworn to uphold the constitution?
Well, I served under Bill Clinton and there was plenty that I had problems with. However, if a lawful order is given it is my duty to follow it.Originally posted by fitz4609
Ok Kneesinthebreeze, if newly elected Prez Hilary Clinton signed an executive order that disarmed all US citizens you would follow that order?
No problems? I can't believe that.
Ok, are you a judge?, are you a Politician, or are you a Soldier?Originally posted by fitz4609
Ok Kneesinthebreeze, if newly elected Prez Hilary Clinton signed an executive order that disarmed all US citizens you would follow that order?
No problems? I can't believe that.
I am not saying that it would not make my stomach turn Ranger Horned Toad. I am saying that who the hell am I to question a lawful order. The courts struck down the ordinance in SF and they did the right thing. Maybe it was a bad analogy I do not know. As ong as someone is not ordering me to kill innocent civiliansor the like i do not have to agree but do have to follow the order.Originally posted by Horned Toad
Zarqawi thought he was following some kind of moral orders also. Its one thing for a soldier to go fight on foreign soil, I would think it would be quite another to use those same tactics here in the US against the citizens they are supposed to protect. But with the very limited outcry over the taking of guns in New Orleans, its only a matter of time before the tool that kept us free in gone
To your credit, you're getting a bit more specific in terms of mission statement than threadstarter.Originally posted by Cav
O.K. lets say it like this:
As a Guard soldier you are told to disarm the local people. You follow the order, or argue it.
You say you dont want to take the weapons as its against the constitution.
Your NCO says that the Governer says is not a normal situation and people are being killed by these people running the streets with weapons. Do you follow the orders of the Governer, or what you think might be right?
The City you are working in also has a law that forbids weapons in the open on the streets, and this is what you are told you will be taking. Do you keep law and order in the city by helpng with enfocement of laws to save lifes, or what you think might be right?
Its one thing to storm an area and take guns for no reason, its another to follow lawfull orders in a time of declared disaster.
If you can not follow lawfull orders, you need to find out about Unit level justice durring time of activation.
Hell no, Ray Nagin cannot nor can any mayor make those policies and orders to military troops. You seem to me to be fishing here. Lay out what you are really asking and stop the what ifs.Originally posted by fitz4609
Ok, you are not executing civilians so far so good.
Lets say the civilian govt says to destroy the radio station
and and start loading some of the disorderly types into box cars for transport to a camp.
You still OK with that?
Your a soldier and the SCOTUS will fiquire it all out later.
No decisions that you have to make? Personal decisions at that time in your presence?
Ray Nagin could lawfully make those orders. Right?
The thread starter said "LAWFUL ORDERS" he also said "GUARD" last I checked the National Guard fell under that states Govener unless you know more. The Governer calls and orders his troops. The Governer and Mayors can set there local laws when they need laws and can declair emergencies.Originally posted by jmshady
Hell no, Ray Nagin cannot nor can any mayor make those policies and orders to military troops. You seem to me to be fishing here. Lay out what you are really asking and stop the what ifs.
Martial law is declared by the President only if I recall. Local and State goverment do not have that athourity. Besides if a Military unit is given the order then it has hit the fan more than likley. If you are worried about the Goverment deciding tomorrow to get rid of all guns you watch too many movies.
+1Originally posted by td.trmntr
To: fitz4609
Have you ever served in the military? Since you are trying to pin down an answer from " the current generation of soldiers" I'm curious to know if you've ever worn a uniform. Are you possibly confusing soldiers with politicians? This is hardly the way to conduct a scientific poll. I don't like the tone of your questions. It reminds me of the late 60's when dope-head hippies hung out in airports and spit on servicemen returning from Vietnam because they wanted to protest the war. Soldiers follow their orders under the uniform code of military justice. Also, soldiers are not paid to listen to abuse thrown out by civilians. If you don't like what future administrations may or may not do about your gun rights, take it up with them. The fact that soldiers like us have bled and died for this country are the reason you have your rights in the first place.