FISA Court Admits At Least 2 Spy Warrants Against Carter Page Were ‘Not Valid’

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  1. DonGlock26

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    "Mueller’s Convictions in Question After FISA Court Admits At Least 2 Spy Warrants Against Carter Page Were ‘Not Valid’

    The FISC [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court] admitted in a secret order that at least two of the spy warrants against Carter Page were not lawfully authorized.

    Presiding FISA judge James Boasberg wrote in a January 7 order which was not declassified and released until Thursday, that the last two FISA warrants on Carter Page dated April 7, 2017 and June 29, 2017 were not valid.

    The June 2017 FISA warrant was signed by former DAG Rod Rosenstein and Former Deputy Director of the FBI Andrew McCabe.

    Rosenstein signed the June 2017 FISA warrant a month after he wrote the memo authorizing the appointment of special counsel Robert Mueller — and 20 pages of this FISA application are STILL REDACTED.

    Did Robert Mueller actually use information gathered in real time by the illegal wiretaps on Carter Page?

    If so, this could pose a huge problem for Mueller’s cases against Trump officials because the wiretaps are now officially invalid.


    “The final three-month authorization to spy on Page was signed nearly six weeks after Mueller was appointed, meaning that Mueller may have had real-time access to and utilized nearly five months worth of surveillance of Page during the course of Mueller’s investigation. If his office used any of the information in subsequent cases, the declaration that the final two spy warrants against Page were invalid could potentially nullify previous or future convictions sought by Mueller’s office,” Sean Davis of The Federalist wrote.

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    "BREAKING: Spy Court Admits FISA Warrants Against Carter Page Were ‘Not Valid’

    The FISA court's top judge wrote in a secret ruling on January 7 that at least two of the four spy warrants against Carter Page were invalid and not lawfully authorized.

    JANUARY 23, 2020 By Sean Davis


    Authority granted to the federal government to secretly wiretap and spy on former Trump affiliate Carter Page was “not valid,” the nation’s top spy court noted in a secret ruling penned earlier this month. The order from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), which was created and authorized by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), was initially signed and issued on January 7, 2020, but was not declassified and released until Thursday afternoon.

    Judge James Boasberg, the current federal judge presiding over the FISA court, wrote in his order that at least two of the four FISA applications against Carter Page were unlawfully authorized. Additionally, according his order, the Department of Justice similarly concluded following the release of a sprawling investigate report on the matter by the agency’s inspector general that the government did not have probable cause that Page was acting as an agent of a foreign power. The FISA law states that American citizens cannot be secretly spied on by the U.S. government absent probable cause, based on valid evidence, that an American is unlawfully acting as a foreign agent.


    “DOJ assesses that with respect to the applications in Docket Numbers 17-375 and 17-679, ‘if not earlier, there was insufficient predication to establish probable cause to believe that [Carter] Page was acting as an agent of a foreign power,'” Boasberg wrote, referring to the final two of the four FISA applications to spy on Page. “The Court understands the government to have concluded, in view of the material misstatements and omissions, that the Court’s authorizations in Docket Numbers 17-375 and 17-679 were not valid.”

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    I bet no democrats go to jail.
     
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    So.....Why the hell aren’t the criminals who signed off being hauled away as I write this???
     
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    Just as importantly, why isn’t an apparently easily to mislead and abuse type of secret court not being disbanded?
     
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    Why isn’t the MSM reporting on this?

    Lol.
     
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    Because the FISA judges are part of the same deep state as those who presented evidence for the warrants.
     
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    Gen. Flynn's Lawyer- Ms. Powell said a big reveal was going to happen tomorrow.
    Could this be related?
     
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    "DOJ Admits Two FISA Applications Lacked Cause – FISA Court Requests Information on Consequences: What Other Prosecutions Relied on the Invalid Warrants?…

    Posted on January 23, 2020 by sundance

    An interesting ruling, brief and order from the FISA Court (Judge Boasberg) released today [pdf here] reflects an admission by the DOJ the 2nd and 3rd FISA renewal against U.S. person Carter Page were invalid.

    The “DOJ assesses that with respect to the applications in [April and June 2017] “if not earlier, there was insufficient predication to establish probable cause to believe that [Carter]Page was acting as an agent of a foreign power.””

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    The original FISA application was October 21st, 2016. The first FISA renewal was January 12, 2017 (84 days from origination). The second renewal was April 7, 2017 (85 days from prior renewal). The third renewal was on June 29th, 2017 (83 days from prior renewal).

    The DOJ has now attested to the FISC the FISA application on April 7, 2017, and the FISA application of June 29th were invalid. However, the DOJ has not taken a position on the validity of the original application, Oct 21, 2016, or the first renewal of January 12, 2017.


    [​IMG]As with almost everything in the world of FISA there is a great deal of interesting language surrounding how the FISC brief & order by James Boasberg is written. Each paragraph and sentence should be reviewed carefully to avoid making cursory mistakes in analysis.

    The FBI has agreed to “sequester” all information and evidence received as an outcome of all the FISA warrants issued against Carter Page. Meaning, all material, in any court proceeding or subsequent secondary warrant on another target, application, filing, motion, prosecution or downstream use of the information gathered and obtained; the FBI will now assemble all materials, from any location, that stemmed from the Carter Page FISA warrants.

    In essence, the FBI will now look and retrieve any evidence that stemmed as an outcome of the Carter Page FISA warrant. Some of this material *may* (perhaps likely) will be in the Special Counsel Mueller investigation.

    [ie. a proverbial search for the fruit of a poisonous tree. Where is it?]

    Once the sequestration has taken place, the DOJ will then be able to determine to the court what collateral impacts they have identified.

    The DOJ has yet to inform the court how exactly they plan to do this, or when they anticipate to have completed the task. However, the FBI has agreed to undertake this sequestration for ALL of the FISA applications, not just the two renewals they now admit are invalid. READ:

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    The issue of the validity for the October 21st, 2016, originating FISA application; and/or the issue of the validity for the first renewal January 12th, 2017, is not yet determined.

    The FISC brief outlines the Office of the Inspector General (OIG), who is currently doing a review of all FISA applications, will be the one assist the DOJ in reaching that conclusion.

    Worth noting in the second paragraph (above): “pending further review of the OIG report and the outcome of any investigations or litigation.” This was a statement made by the DOJ in response to the FISC. It is possible the ongoing investigation by U.S. Attorney John Durham is part of this encompassing statement.

    The second page of the order by Judge Boasberg is essentially him relaying the law surrounding FISA applications; warning the DOJ that false material submissions -which the DOJ has just admitted- are illegal; and Boasberg wanting to know answers to the same questions many of us have.

    Essentially, Judge Boasberg is asking: what did the FBI do with the Title-1 surveillance warrant they received from the court? What material did they collect? Was that material then used in other proceedings and: “disseminated to DOJ prosecutors and other persons outside the FBI”?

    The presiding fisa judge also wants to know what the DOJ is doing. Explain what “further review of the OIG report” means? Inform the court what “related investigations and litigation” pertains to, etc:

    [​IMG][Link to Court]

    A note of caution. It seems incredulous the DOJ cannot apply the same determination of invalid construct to the original FISA application and first renewal. However, the key issue is with the Steele Dossier – the essential evidence underpinning the FISA itself; and the key question is when did the FBI and/or DOJ know with certainty the Steele Dossier was unfounded and did not merit legal inclusion for the warrant?

    By their current admissions, as outlined by Judge Boasberg, the DOJ is admitting that between January 12th and April 7th current investigators are certain there was sufficient information debunking the Steele Dossier, known to the former FBI and DOJ officials, such that no further application (renewal) should have taken place.

    Interestingly this timeline and DOJ admission would include the Mueller investigation use of any FISA derived material or evidence when it began May 17, 2017; that is, if the Mueller probe used the Carter Page FISA evidence for any derivative warrant therein.

    It seems likely the Mueller probe did use the Page warrant, as former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe and former DOJ Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein authorized the June 29, 2017, final renewal AFTER the special counsel was in place. That renewal has been admitted as invalid. There could be considerable consequences.




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    If the renewals were invalid, then doesn’t it make sense that the initial warrant was also invalid?
     
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    Any search warrant is issued after probable cause that evidence of a crime or fruits of a crime may be found at a given location. Probable cause for search warrants is time bound and can become “stale”. Therefore these warrants must be executed within a prescribed time after issuance. A subsequent warrant, in this case what is being referred to as “re-issued”, faces the same legal standard for probable cause...not that it existed once before but that probable cause continues to exist. If an subsequent search warrant is later invalidated for some reason, it does not mean a preceding search warrant was therefore invalid.
     
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    James Comey and Andrew McCabe (among others) have some 'splainin' to do... :whistling:

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    the fake dossier makes all of this invalid
     
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    Doesn't that make ALL of the warrants and all evidence obtained indirectly as a result, invalid? The law says it does, but it's always hard to tell when reporters write about law.
     
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    Ultimately, I think, Flynn gets to withdraw his former gulity plea and the entire case against him gets dismissed.

    DOJ may or may not appeal that withdrawal and dismissal, but regardless the real fun will begin.

    Flynn and his attorneys are certain to go after a very long list of Deep State miscreants in what's know under federal law as a Section 1983 civil-rights lawsuit seeking HUGE money damages for violation of his constitutional rights.

    Not just monetary compensation for all the rights-violating acts, but Flynn's damages would also include reimbursement for all the attorneys fees he's incurred to date defending himself.

    Named defendants on the face of Flynn's 1983 complaint would start with Rosenstein, McCabe, Comey, Sally Yates, and likely several others.

    As the discovery phase of the case progresses, however, other actors who had their hands on Flynn's case will, and should, be added as named defendants. :thumbsup:

    Yep, that's my working theory .... Stay tuned. :popcorn:
     
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    This whole chain of events makes me incredibly sad and angry. It is disappointing to see people who are charged with defense of our great nation and the responsibility of serving its people to act in such a manner is reprehensible.
     
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    Comey and McCabe need to do prison time. Rosenstein needs to be investigated more, then be dragged through the criminal process at the least. Same for all the “whistleblowers” who ‘weren’t’.
     
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    I too see a 1983 case on the horizon stemming from skirting the 4th Amendment.
     
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    The founders had the foresight to know government could not be trusted. See: Bill of Rights, Fourth Amendment. But Congress got it into their heads that they could bend the rules a little, in the interest of national security.

    The FISA Act represents probably one of the worst violations of our Constitution. And worse, Congress has no hesitation to renew it whenever it comes up for a vote.

    Benjamin Franklin said it best...
    "They who can give up essential Liberty to obtain a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
     
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    All in all, you have to remember, Hillary was supposed to win, and all this would have been swept away. The media pollsters told them every night Trump was going to lose, and they believed it.
    Anything goes ..
    Then, the voters had other ideas, and thankfully, DJT won.
    Now, we have to deal with the sham impeachment, designed to protect the Dems from the Storm that is surely coming.