I think if any MD was so anal as to move someone from SSP to ESP because they smoothed the sharp corners on a mag release then that would be my last match there.
Originally posted by Joe D I think if any MD was so anal as to move someone from SSP to ESP because they smoothed the sharp corners on a mag release then that would be my last match there.
We play by the rules, that's why we have them. The rules are what keep everybody on a level competition playing field. Personally I wouldn't shoot in a club that didn't follow the rules - where's the competition if I go by the book and somebody else can not wear concealment, not use cover, drop loaded mags, etc. and get away with it. In this case, I emailed him for his opinion on the mod, since it looked to me like it wasn't permitted in SSP. He agreed, but later changed his mind.
The MD DQed himself at least once. I've never even heard a rumor of anybody being displeased with either our match director or our matches - the MD is extremely popular.
Originally posted by Bren We play by the rules, that's why we have them. The rules are what keep everybody on a level competition playing field. Personally I wouldn't shoot in a club that didn't follow the rules -
As MarkP said from a technical perspective yes it would but having said that if you do some light sanding with an emery board it would be difficult for the average naked eye to tell. For the average Joe/SO it would look no different than normal wear and tear. So I would basically say dont volunteer that youve done it since you might run into individuals who follow the letter of every rule to the t.
But why do it? There isn't a lot of big money on the line - most local match have nothing on the line but your place in the scores. If you just want other people to see your name higher on the score sheet then dump rounds, try to get away with illegal modifications, or whatever you want. Personally I just want to see if I can beat the other shooters on a level playing field and within the rules.
To me the removing of a burr on a magazine release or a rear sight or any other area of a firearm for that matter is a safety issue. I agree with you that if a person does an external modification thats blatant like using the JP Enterprise Glock magazine release then they should be placed in either ESP or CDP depending on Caliber and/or PF.
With regards to dumping rounds I'm of the firm belief that in most IDPA COF's you really dont by much time by doing that because if the designer of the COF tries to keep a level playing field then they should take revolver shooters into account. If the COF does so then each array of targets would be setup to allow reloads from cover which in most scenarios negates the need to go to slide lock. Anyway thats my 2 cents.
any dremeling done to a glock frame would put that pistol into ESP.
Knocking the edges off a mag release is inconsequential and would fall under the same provisions as doing a "melt-down" of the edges of a steel pistol.
Originally posted by MarkP any dremeling done to a glock frame would put that pistol into ESP.
Knocking the edges off a mag release is inconsequential and would fall under the same provisions as doing a "melt-down" of the edges of a steel pistol.
Mark, wouldn't a little sanding of the sharp bottom edge of a Glock trigger guard be rather similar to "doing a 'melt-down' of the edges of a steel pistol" and therefore be "inconsequential"?
gary,
in the real world , I would agree with you. But since we are discussing IDPA , any resemblance to common sense is purely coincidental.
I had to find out the hard way - bought a used glock that had a minor dremel job to the trigger guard and a relief 'trim' around the magwell. Called up IDPA and explained to them the degree of modification and their reply ,"ESP , because it isn't stock anymore."
Fair enough , I took it full bore and ended up with a frame that fits better in the hand , with a magwell and steel guide rod.
Originally posted by Jim Watson A real nitpicker might say that since that is not specifically allowed, then it is not allowed at all. In practice, if you make your bevels small and keep your mouth shut about it, it will never be noticed.
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