[fl_snub_noz]

just came accross this sorry if already posted

http://www.recoilweb.com/federal-premium-launches-new-hydra-shok-deep-for-self-defense-132721.html

 

[Joco34]

Sexy pictures! You got to love high definition bullet cross section Photos.

 

[dudel]

Probably not available in 9mm, which is already way to awesome! uttahere:

 

[Wishoot]

Why bother? With HST available in 50 round boxes at a reasonable price, what's the point?

Is this a way to sell 20 round boxes of mediocre ammo at 50 round box prices to those that don't know any better?

 

[unit1069]

I'm not judging the new round, just saying that with so many good premium JHP self-defense rounds available already the Hydra-Shok will have to be a real improvement for me to purchase any.

Is the 15" penetration in calibrated ballistics gel repeatable enough to demonstrate a decided advantage over XTP? Or Gold Dot, HST, and Golden Saber. These rounds often show similar penetration in calibrated tests.

Maybe we'll see other premium round prices drop if there's a mad rush to the new Federal line. I hope so.

 

[Old Buzzard 74]

Probably not available in 9mm, which is already way to awesome! uttahere:

According to the linked article 9mm is what they are rolling it out in first.

Likely so it will be easier to keep up with demand since no one shoots the 9mm since it is so underpowered /sarcasim

 

[Railsplitter]

View attachment 376898 View attachment 376897 just came accross this sorry if already posted

http://www.recoilweb.com/federal-premium-launches-new-hydra-shok-deep-for-self-defense-132721.html

Looks like it's just going to be Federals version of the XTP, penetration at the expense of expansion. Just another sales gimmick from big ammo.

 

[fl_snub_noz]

Why bother? With HST available in 50 round boxes at a reasonable price, what's the point?

Is this a way to sell 20 round boxes of mediocre ammo at 50 round box prices to those that don't know any better?

probrobly right.. looks like its designed for walmart shelves

 

[Kalmah]

Not even available to the public yet, and already we have people pooh-poohing it.

I usually wait until a product has actually hit the market and has been proven to be a poor performer before I knock it. But apparently not everyone shares that same philosophy.

I hope it does well. Don't see anything wrong at all with having a wider variety of effective JHP options.

 

[fl_snub_noz]

im not crazy about the tip design it looks jam prone

 

[powernoodle]

Why bother?

The "why" question always boils down to this: Federal is trying to increase its revenue stream.

As for the consumer, more choices and marketplace competition are a good thing.

Win/win.

What I would like to see is a return of an expanding FMJ round.

Just another sales gimmick from big ammo.

Without "big ammo", you would be throwing rocks at the bad guy.

 

[cadillacguns]

I remember when Federals hi-shock and hydra-shock were the bomb, in my Glocks they were pretty accurate.

 

[Azdezrat]

Not even available to the public yet, and already we have people pooh-poohing it.

I usually wait until a product has actually hit the market and has been proven to be a poor performer before I knock it. But apparently not everyone shares that same philosophy.

I hope it does well. Don't see anything wrong at all with having a wider variety of effective JHP options.

You are wise Kalmah

 

[Warp]

The "why" question always boils down to this: Federal is trying to increase its revenue stream.

As for the consumer, more choices and marketplace competition are a good thing.

Win/win.

What I would like to see is a return of an expanding FMJ round.



Without "big ammo", you would be throwing rocks at the bad guy.

Agreed on choices/competition and expanding FMJ as an option.

If it's just going to be premium priced 20 round boxes I'm sure most of us will pass considering you can get HST/Gold Dot/Ranger/Golden Saber/etc in well priced 50 round boxes online.

If it does offer consistently deep penetration and hold up really well, like an XTP, there could be some 'informed' demand for it based on that, but, as mentioned above, it seems destined for Walmart and other mass-marketed small-volume (they buy 2 boxes ever) general gun owning (but no so much enthusiasts) public

 

[clarkz71]

I don't think another 135gr choice is a bad thing.

 

[unit1069]

I don't think another 135gr choice is a bad thing.

No, not a bad thing at all; but is this new ammo the equal to, or better than, Federal 135-grain Tactical Bonded +P?

 

[clarkz71]

No, not a bad thing at all; but is this new ammo the equal to, or better than, Federal 135-grain Tactical Bonded +P?

Or the Hornady 135gr Critical Defense / Duty

 

[cowboy1964]

Looks like it's a deeper perpetrator than HST. I'll be interested in seeing tests.

tnoutdoors9? We miss you.

 

[Cmbttupperware]

As long as 9bple is $14.95 for 50, I won t be buying this

 

[Warp]

Looks like it's a deeper perpetrator than HST. I'll be interested in seeing tests.

tnoutdoors9? We miss you.

I miss those less after reading the profession's opinion/experience on how those test medias are not analogous to the 'real deal' ballistics gel. The chrono results are nice sometimes though