close

Privacy guaranteed - Your email is not shared with anyone.

Federal ammo

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by ddawson, Feb 14, 2013.

  1. glock031

    glock031

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2010
    Messages:
    629
    Likes Received:
    0
    On paper and in some chrono's WWB shows to be a little hotter. But over the years and again last week i had more problems with WWB ammo than Federal champion in both 40 and 9..

    Last week
    100 rds Fed champion 9mm shot just fine. 100 rds of WWB 9mm had 7 malfunctions. Those 7 rds were too weak to cycle the next rd.. Could feel and hear the difference. This is about the fourth instance with WWB. Yes i had many good range trips with WWB but they do have some QC issues.
     
  2. wdp

    wdp

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2011
    Messages:
    404
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Twin Tiers, NY
    I've shot several thousand rounds of WWB and Federal Champion in both .40 S&W & .45ACP and never had a single failure in either of my Glocks. I actually preferred the Federal in 100 round bulk boxes because it was less expensive. Today I'll settle for whatever I can get my hands on.
    It would be interesting to see a section view of the Federal bullet to see if the manufacturers claim is real related to thin jacketing, or are they just covering their "6" because a lawyer told them so.
     
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2013

  3. cadillacguns

    cadillacguns Millennium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 1999
    Messages:
    5,284
    Likes Received:
    949
    Location:
    Indianapolis, IN USA
    Fed 180 gr Champion is waht I range prefer in my Glocks, the WWB is a 165 gr bullet, and more stout. Both should work just fine for you.
     
  4. SCmasterblaster

    SCmasterblaster G17 carrier since 1989 Millennium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 1999
    Messages:
    20,167
    Likes Received:
    1,381
    Location:
    Hartford, Vermont
    165 gr JHP? WWB?
     
  5. ddawson

    ddawson

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2013
    Messages:
    41
    Likes Received:
    0
    This issue is all over the internet, The only one that has not answered and questions is guess who, Federal. I've called left messages. Truly they are the only ones that can resolve this.
     
  6. digilo

    digilo

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2010
    Messages:
    307
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    texas
    I shot thousands of 9mm WWB through Glocks and a P-08 Luger. The WWB 9mm was one of the few 115 gr loads that would reliably cycle tthe Luger.
    Also, the WWB 115 gr JHP was the only HP that the notoriously finicky Luger would feed, and it fed them 100% reliably. IIRC that load does 1225 fps for 383 ft-lbs of ME- not bad- and uses the same bullet as the Win Silvertip.
     
  7. SCmasterblaster

    SCmasterblaster G17 carrier since 1989 Millennium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 1999
    Messages:
    20,167
    Likes Received:
    1,381
    Location:
    Hartford, Vermont
    The fact that it fed thru your Luger says a lot for the WWB. WWB is great ammo. :cool:
     
  8. Warp

    Warp ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2005
    Messages:
    16,599
    Likes Received:
    525
    Location:
    Atlanta
    That's what I have always said.

    But with their quality control doing down the ****ter as they move production locations and cheap out on labour, etc...I'm avoiding Winchester when I can, now.

    I'd rather save some money and get the cheap russian steel case stuff for my Glocks. Or Rem/UMC or CCI (blazer, blazer brass, or lawman)
     
  9. SCmasterblaster

    SCmasterblaster G17 carrier since 1989 Millennium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 1999
    Messages:
    20,167
    Likes Received:
    1,381
    Location:
    Hartford, Vermont
    Just what is Winchester doing to their production facilities?
     
  10. Warp

    Warp ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2005
    Messages:
    16,599
    Likes Received:
    525
    Location:
    Atlanta
    Moving them.

    I have also personally experienced multiple Winchester ammunition turds. And Winchester couldn't care less.
     
  11. SCmasterblaster

    SCmasterblaster G17 carrier since 1989 Millennium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 1999
    Messages:
    20,167
    Likes Received:
    1,381
    Location:
    Hartford, Vermont
    Moving them where to?
     
  12. Warp

    Warp ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2005
    Messages:
    16,599
    Likes Received:
    525
    Location:
    Atlanta
    It's things like this, + my actual experience with crap Winchester ammo, + Winchester not giving a damn about the crap ammo I bought from them

    Whole thread here:
    http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1418798&highlight=union


    And much more

    So I don't really buy Winchester ammo any more
     
  13. PVolk

    PVolk

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    1,645
    Likes Received:
    561
    Location:
    Michigan
    The 180gr Federal Champion is what I prefer to run through my Glock 23c. I've got roughly 3000 rounds of that stuff through it now, and not a single problem to report.

    I just wished my local Walmart was still getting the stuff in stock. It's been 6 months since they've had any, and I'm down to my last 2 boxes. I'll be switching to S&B 180gr next.
     
  14. bobtheelf

    bobtheelf

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2012
    Messages:
    812
    Likes Received:
    176
    Location:
    Nashville
    No, 165g FMJ. The 100 round packs. The 50 round boxes are 180g.
     
  15. SCmasterblaster

    SCmasterblaster G17 carrier since 1989 Millennium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 1999
    Messages:
    20,167
    Likes Received:
    1,381
    Location:
    Hartford, Vermont
    Thanks. :cool:
     
  16. PghJim

    PghJim

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,941
    Likes Received:
    50
    Location:
    Pittsburgh
    Just a stupid question. When I got on last night you were the last person to post on all but 5 threads. I never could get into every thread enough to say a comment on all of them.

    WWB is OK practice ammo in 45 ACP, but I find it relatively dirty compared to others like MagTech. Federal has always been shy about getting higher pressures, but I am sure they have their reasons. I will say that I have found the HST +p in 45 to be a bit hot.
     
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2013
  17. digilo

    digilo

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2010
    Messages:
    307
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    texas
    I've never had a problem with Winchester ammo. No company that I know of turns out 100% perfect product, especially when the number of (widgets) runs in the hundreds of millions.

    If the FBI thinks a load is good enough to replace Gold Dots, then I guess it's good enough for me, too.

    I don't care much for Federal ammo, as it's usually a weaker load than comparable loads from Rem and Win. They insist on retaining the Hydrashok bullet, which is known to shed it's jacket, or plug up and not expand.

    Winchesters politics regarding unions have zero to do with my purchase decision. I think it's funny that people criticize Winchester for the way they deal with the unions, and then recommend buying Russian ammo.
     
  18. ddawson

    ddawson

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2013
    Messages:
    41
    Likes Received:
    0
    I found a used glock non ported barrel, on ebay. That should help with federal champion ammo issues. I never got a reply from them.
     
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2013
  19. PVolk

    PVolk

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    1,645
    Likes Received:
    561
    Location:
    Michigan
    You found a Glock on eBay...? Or just a barrel?
     
  20. SCmasterblaster

    SCmasterblaster G17 carrier since 1989 Millennium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 1999
    Messages:
    20,167
    Likes Received:
    1,381
    Location:
    Hartford, Vermont
    I like GT. So I post a lot. It is not against GT rules.