Federal 10mm 200 grain HST

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  1. Borg Warner

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    1100 fps with a 200 grain HST isn't bad for a defensive load against feral recidivist humanoid predators. For a hunting load, I'd prefer a full 1200 fps. Hornady loads a 200 grain XTP at 1050 fps and 1050 fps seems to be industry standard for 200 grain bullets because 200 grain Speer blazers and PMC fmj's are both loaded to 1050 fps.

    And Underwood's hottest 200 grain 45 ACP load is "only" loaded to 1100 fps but I wouldn't want to get hit with one of those OR a 10mm at 1100 fps.

    And I suspect that nobody but Underwood, Buffalo bore, and Double Tap loads the 10mm to it's full 37,500 psi maximum chamber pressure. More likely the 10mm is loaded to the same 35,000 psi as the 9mm and the 40 S&W.
     
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  2. Dave Lively

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    That includes the original Norma 10mm loads. By today's standards it would not make the cut as "real" 10mm ammo. I have only seen the original Norma ammo tested a couple times on YouTube but out of real guns it was 175 to 200 fps short of the impressive numbers printed on the box.

    Affordable chronographs and YouTube have made it a lot harder for ammo makers get away with inflated velocity claims. Its too bad the equipment needed to measure pressure is still so expensive. It would be nice to know if the big companies are not loading 10mm ammo up to the limit or if the boutique companies are treating the SAAMI specs as more of a guideline than a spec. Without a way to accurately measure pressure there is no way to know.
     
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  3. GlockinStihl

    GlockinStihl A bullet is forever

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    I've read in several places, top 10mm loads are not close to the 37,500 psi. I guess that's judging by info printed in reloading manuals.
     
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    Underwood loads the 180 gr Gold Dot at 1300. Perfect carry load.
     
  5. GlockinStihl

    GlockinStihl A bullet is forever

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  6. 10or45

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    How are the terminal ballistics (penetration and weight retention) in soft tissue and bone with the Gold Dot going 1300fps?
    I'll stick to 200 grain Hornady XTP's loaded on top of a stiff charge of AA9 for real 10mm velocities.
     
  7. SDGlock23

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    I have a few boxes of the new 200gr 10mm HST, bullet doesn't appear too much different than the 180gr HST, the hollow point isn't any deeper and the skives seem to be a bit shorter than the 180gr version, not sure how that will effect expansion.

    That said, I don't understand why so many are infatuated with the idea of using full power 10mm for "social" self defense. First off, no major ammo maker loads anything to 100%, it's a liability. I would say we're lucky that Federal even cared enough to offer an HST in 10mm, let alone a 200gr version when it would have been much easier to just use the 180gr bullet. Second, with truly full power loads you do get more recoil and blast, and speaking purely from a self defense perspective in regards to follow up shots, you don't want more when less is effective enough.

    A 200gr bullet at ~1100 fps isn't weak, sure it's not full power 10mm, but it doesn't have to be. Let's say Speer released a few more 10mm loads using Gold Dots, say a 165gr Gold Dot and they listed it as moving at 1300 fps. Some people would be pissed and write them a letter wondering why it's "only" 1300 fps when underwood loads it to 1400 fps, and that's silly. We can't and shouldn't expect that from a major ammo maker. Leave the absolute max loads for the woods.
     
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  8. GlockinStihl

    GlockinStihl A bullet is forever

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    HST performance in General, and follow up shots is why I started considering them.
     
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    If you aren’t going to use full power 10mm then what is the point of using 10mm? Just use 10x22mm.


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  10. Operator_AF

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    Just throwing this out there- if S&W made an M&P in 10mm, a 12in PDW in 10mm and sold that as a package to LE with 15 round mags in the pistol and 25 round mags in the PDW with cross compatibility; pair that with a 180gr load at 1200fps and you have a do-it-all inside 75yards patrol package. Just saying. You could probably get away with the same concept in .40 with a 165 @ 1175fps. Just my food for thought.

    And cue the 9mm crowd to say PCCs are worthless.

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    10x21 ? The .40 S&W is 22mm, so now you have my curiosity up.
     
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    It's a prelude to suggesting that you use the 8x20 Longue. ;)
     
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  13. GlockinStihl

    GlockinStihl A bullet is forever

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    Cool story bro lol
     
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    It was just a typo. I meant 10x22mm.
     
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    GlockinStihl A bullet is forever

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    Maybe we should make a new one with 357 SIG brass, so it would be 10x23. We can call it the 10 GAP
     
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    Personally, I find that using non nuclear powered 10mm loads to be quite enjoyable to shoot from my G29 and G20. I prefer shooting that combination with the large frame Glock platform to shooting 40 S&W from a G22 or G23. I will buy the HST 200 grain ammo as soon as SGAMMO has it in stock.
     
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    Then why do you have 10mm guns? Not trying to be a smart ass but really? Most of the watered down factory stuff is just above .40 power levels.


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    Federal is rolling this out as a PD round, therefore terminal ballistics dictates preferred velocity vs. max velocity. Too much or too little velocity makes for a fail in gel and not good for sales. Other options exist for full-house/hunting loads.
     
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    Hammering them for 41fps difference in advertised velocity? (or am I missing something?) :dunno:
     
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    I highlighted it. I find it funny that the 10mm is touted for it's versatility, and yet also criticized for it at times. The reason I like the 10mm is that I can choose to shoot really hot ammo, which I do have as well. The nice thing about the 10mm is that I have a choice in which power level ammo I carry and the fact that Federal is offering a production load for the caliber is a plus, in my opinion. I prefer the large frame Glocks because they are easier for me to handle with hot ammo. The 40, not so enjoyable. The large frame pistols also fit my hand better than the normal frame size models do. I hope they also offer something like a bit hotter 165 grain HST in the future as well.
     
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