Federal 10mm 200 grain HST

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  1. GlockinStihl

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    Advertised at 1130 fps. A fella at the 10mm forums tested them from a Glock 20, and he got 1089 fps.

    I wrote Federal and asked about the lack of speed, and which barrel they used. As well I asked if the new HST was a new bullet or if it was originally meant for the .40 S&W, and if it would still perform down at 1000 fps from a Glock 29. Here is the reply they sent me.

    I believe I'm going to start testing these for carry in my Glock 29. Albeit, they will only average 1015-1020 fps from the 3.77" barrel, but I carry mine with a 4.6" barrel. I've never seen an HST that didn't perform well.
     

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    I’m sorry, but it begs the question-why? Those velocities just aren’t compelling to me when a 20 grains lighter HST will be in the same ball park from a smaller .40 Glock. The whole allure to 10mm is speed. This offering from Federal, albeit probably has great terminal performance just begs the question of what can this do that a 180gr .40 HST can’t?


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    Did you read their reply to me? It's basically a big case of covering their ass on pressures.

    .40 S&W
    180 HST @ 1010 fps & 408 ft/lbs

    10mm
    200 HST @ 1130 fps & 567 ft/lbs

    The heavier bullet is going to handle hard objects better. In hunting I've seen how much difference 20 grains can make vs bones. I'm betting when the jello mould tests start, this penetrates farther and leaves a bigger PWC, and probably expands to 1". Time will tell.

    Honestly, I'd rather have the new 200 grain Gold Dot loaded by Underwood.
     
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    I read the entire thing. I don’t think there will be that much of a real world difference between the two when used for their intended purposes. The 200gr will obviously penetrate deeper. That’s probably about it. Not saying it’s a bad load. It just doesn’t seem to offer much over their .40 loads. That being said I would be shocked if they could load that bullet in .40 and still make 950fps from a 4 inch. There are a few 200gr .40 loads floating around. If the 10mm is 1015 and the 40 (from a 27) was around 930 that doesn’t seem like a huge difference. Just my opinion.

    I agree it’s just CYA. They’re loading it for the guys who rechambers the same round 100 times and sets the bullet back.


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    Buy Underwood Gold Dots, those loads are no joke.
     
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    I have them, in 165 and 180. Along with the Noslers in 135 and 200, and the XTP's in 155, 180, and 200. Hey, I like Underwood.
     
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    Underwood .40 s&w 200's from a 4" barrel is 950.

    I see your point and I will edit my statement. I will start testing these for carry. I would never just switch and assume they're perfect ya know?

    As I added above, I'd much rather have the new 10mm 200 grain Gold Dot, only loaded to 1200. We have a fellow on the 10mm forums who is gel testing the new 200 GD. He will be testing them stock, and pulling some for hotter loading. He will be gel testing those in the 1200-1250 range.
     
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    Loading an HST (shallow penetrating) for woods use and neglecting to state that the test barrel was 5 inches knowing everyone would assume the test barrel was the standard 4 inches is a joke. Seems they are throwing something new out with the old reliable HST name but in reality it's not much more than another sales gimmick, which has become the hallmark of big ammo.
     
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    I have never seen a factory load meet the speed on the box except 17HMR . As chronagraghs got more available factory loads velocity came down.
     
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    It's pretty common knowledge test barrels for 10mm is 5 inches. That's what Underwood uses too. Winchester is the odd ball, they use 5.5" for the Silvertips.
     
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    JMO, but I think Federal would have been better off designing a 10mm specific 180gr HST that they could safely load to 1220fps.


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    I agree with you. I think the reason the new Gold Dot and the HST is 200, is because that's what Cooper wanted. So they are trying to sell on Nostalgia, I guess you might say.

    Why not something odd to stand out? 185 grain at 1250 ?
     
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    What if, say, that projectile were used with , say, a hypothetical 10x20 round?

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    You talking about a .400" bore cartridge, with brass 2mm shorter than the .40 S&W?
     
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    Hypotheticals light my fire. Go check that thread out. Its a good one. LOL

    But, to answer your question- a hypothetical 10x20mm round would result in absolute obliteration of whatever it struck upon impact. I'm talking instant terminal effect. That round would be so badass Nancy needs to write some preemptive legislation banning it. That would make me feel safer.
     
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    That would certainly be a first class SD round for the 10 mm, but the heavy for caliber "bear load" seems to be the fashion now so $$$ rules. Underwood offers a GD 165 gr .40 at 1200 fps. which is the next best thing for you.
     
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    Now that I've had a couple days to think about this, I see it differently. It seems like Federal can't or won't design a bullet that can actually handle REAL 10MM speeds. Kind of seems like they just threw a 180 HST in the copier and hit 110%.
     
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    1100 isn't horrible, but I lol'd about their spiel on temp and over pressure slagging on UW and BB.
     
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    The people who came up with the ideal of a heavy HST were thinking more about their bottom line than they were about their product. I think the industry is worried that Trump will be reelected and their sales will be flat for years to come, so they're coming out with new gun models aimed at the masses (9mm) and sales gimmicks for ammo trying to do anything they can to boost sales.

    They don't have the great guns and ammo salesman Obama any more so now they're having to hustle for a buck.
     
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