Fed Premium HST vs Fed Tac HST

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  1. fsqridah

    fsqridah

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    Got my HSTs today and the box is a Federal Premium box. When I carried my G26 and G39, the HSTs came in a Federal Tactical "LE ammunition" box. What's the difference between the two?
     
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    degoodman Out of Columbus

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    The ink on the box.

    Federal seems to have gone the route of "fashion packaging" for their ammunition. One might wonder if this is because they know a non-trivial percentage of their ammo ends up on the civvie market, and flashy packaging sells. Especially since most LE ammo is sold on a Bid/Contract basis, and could be packaged in plain cardboard boxes with black text and it wouldn't matter one bit.

    The goods on the inside are the same...
     

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    What is the Federal Product Number on the box of the new stuff? Does it start out "FC" or "X"?
     
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    I don't understand why Federal and Winchester are getting so confusing.
    There's Federal Tactical, HST, HydraShok...all separate products.
    Yet, I'll see "Tactical HydraShok," etc.

    There's Winchester SXT, Ranger-T, Ranger-T Bonded, PDX1.
    Order Winchester Rangers and you'll see SXT on the box sometimes.

    Irritating...
     
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  5. hotpig

    hotpig IAFF Local 4766 CLM

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    HST was a homeless round for the first few years it was out. Originally it was in the Federal Classic box. Around 2004 they moved it to the Premium line. 2007 they started following Winchester lead and moved all of their LE ammo to the Tactical line.
     
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    Then you have federal classic Hi-shok.
     
  7. hotpig

    hotpig IAFF Local 4766 CLM

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    Thats a whole different ammo than the HST.
     
  8. fsqridah

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    No idea. I sold my G26 and G39 a year and a half ago. The stuff I have now is P357SHST1. I was just curious if it was any different. Now I've heard there is bonded and non-bonded HSTs, but I've never seen anything on the bonded ones.
     
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    hotpig IAFF Local 4766 CLM

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    Federal Tactical Bonded has been out years longer than HST and is not related other than mfg by the same company.

    Current standard HST ammo has always had product numbers starting with P (caliber)HST and then a number to designate the bullet weight.

    There is some contract ammo out there that have other letters like the X but they are a whole other story.
     
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    Mine is P40HST1 which is the 180gr.
     
  11. fsqridah

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    Right.

    I'm thinking that wherever I heard "bonded HST" was incorrectly referring to the Tac Bonded. My g/f has her G19 RTF2 loaded up with 124gr +P Tac Bonded. It was either that or 124gr +P short-barrel Gold Dots, and I'm not much into the SB bullets out of a 4" barrel. So I got her the Tac Bonded instead. Performance between the two in 9mm is virtually nil, and the Federal stuff was much cheaper.

    The final number just refers to weight and/or pressure rating. The 155gr .40 is P40HST2 and the 165gr .40 is P40HST3. Not sure why they went in that particular order.
     
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    When it first came out, it was crap. Once Federal got it tweaked a bit, it got the pretty box too :)
     
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    Well I'm glad the tweaked the HST to make it work and left the Hydra-shok back in the 20s.
     
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    What exactly does "bonded" mean?
     
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    It means the jacket and the core are "Bonded" together in the processing so that they will not separate when penetrating barriers such as auto glass, sheet metal etc. Conventional bullets will separate jacket from core in these type of situations.
     
  17. fsqridah

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    The bonding is a process that is done with electrically charged particles. It literally bonds the molecules together so although you have lead (Pb) and copper (Cu) components, the bullet is a single piece on a molecular level. The bond between the lead/copper molecules that touch one another on the outside of the core and inside of the jacket is just as strong as the copper/copper molecules and lead/lead molecules.

    Some non-bonded bullets do fairly well when going through harder barriers, but at some point all non-bonded bullets will separate whereas the bonded bullets will not. As said a million times, Gold Dots are still the standard. Reliable expansion, decent expanded diameters, and fully bonded so no core/jacket separate occurs. If you consider all three factors, very few (if any) other bullets measure up.
     
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    I have both HST and Tactical Bonded 9mm rounds in 124-grain weight.

    I've seen a few hundred threads with pictures and stats for HST; I haven't seen any on the Tactical Bonded.

    Does anyone know where to find some info on the Tactical Bonded and whether it's as good as or better than Gold Dot or other "name" bonded rounds?
     
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    Found this on defensivecarry.org.

    Left to right (.45 ACP):

    230gr. +P Winchester Ranger SXT (990 fps)
    230gr. Standard pressure Federal HST (890 fps)
    230gr. +P Federal HST (960 fps)
    230gr. +P Federal Tactical Bonded (950 fps)
    Bottom: 230gr. Standard pressure Speer Gold Dot (890 fps)

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    Fed Tac Bonded versus Fed HST:

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    And another Fed Tac Bonded versus Fed HST (both 230gr):

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    That's all I'm finding. There was supposedly the same review as the first three photos done with 9mm, but I couldn't find it.
     
  20. youngbuck

    youngbuck He's Tyrone!

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    So what exactly are the differences in the Federal Classic JHP, the HST's, and the Hydra-Shoks?

    I just ask because Federals wedsite only list EFMJ's or Hydra-Shok choices in bullets

    The product code of XM40HC is the same thing as a P40HST1?
     
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