Debate Fear of Death

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  1. Lone Wolf8634

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    I was watching a Sam Harris lecture the other night. In the beginning of the lecture he makes an offhand statement that really stuck with me.

    "The reality of death is absolutely central to religion. it's denial is central to religion. Without death, faith based religion would be unthinkable."

    I dunno why, but that thought had never occurred to me before, but once you think about it, it seems to be completely true. What kind of religion would we have if we understood death and dying hundreds of thousands of years ago?

    Faith based religion only makes sense in a world full of death, but to go farther, it only makes sense in a world full of ignorance and fear about death.

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    I'd say the same intelligence that evolved in human beings gave us a higher level of self awareness and the ability to contemplate our own inevitable deaths along with longer grieving sates of the deaths of our loved ones. Death anxiety followed and the trait of a predisposition to believe in gods, a soul and an afterlife became advantageous in abating the death anxiety and promoting the social order that would increase regional survivability for the humans.

    Not unlike spoken language, which you can find in every culture, religion is also there. No matter how dramatically different they almost all share very common traits. But no one would argue that language isn't an innate construct of the mind. It's the same with religions. Even the religious will accept that as a fact....for other religions. It's only their own that is true and divinely inspired with a true supernatural diety that exists.
     
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    And as you have noted, the human brain is hard wired to be religious. God wants us to be able to relate to Him.

    Hebrews 2:9-11,14-15 KJV
    [9] But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. [10] For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. [11] For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, [14] Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; [15] And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.


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    Lol, hardwired for religion and it's your one religion from one illiterate region in a recent blip of time compared to human existence. :rolleyes:

    Next you can tell me how the English language is divinely inspired by the supernatural and all others are just man made innate musings.

    Relaxed selection has allowed the regions with the highest average IQs to find religion less advantageous. While those with lower IQs continue to cling to religion. The higher the collective intelligence of a region the more obsolete religion becomes. The lower the intelligence....the more fundamentalist and superstitious.
     
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    Hmm, I guess it is about your perspective of things. Never heard of Sam Harris but then again, I don't spend a lot of time listening to intellectuals bash religion. The reality is a physical death for everyone is certain and separate from religion. You can say without death religion would not be thinkable but when death hovers at 100%, it is kind of a moot point.

    A lot of people have a fear of death both religious and non-religious but how are people ignorant about it? From my faith based religion, if you are born human, you are an eternal creature regardless if you "believe" or not. I find with my faith, I actually don't have a fear of a physical death (came real close in an ambulance one night) and watching both parents die from different forms of cancer was made easier for me and them. I am just passing thru here. I just hope my death is fast and not drawn out like my parents.
     
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    And...that's how most people abate death anxiety. Just passing through on the way to the spirit world.

    I don't have an issue with that. It's all the other trappings of each true religion that seems to often cause the trouble.
     
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    The Bible does not say that everyone will be saved or inherit eternal life, only those that love God and Truth and have accepted Jesus sacrifice for them. Sorry for the brief blip of time for a warning, but God has considered it sufficient for people to make their decision. Have you made your decision on which side you will be?

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    Well, since we can't have a world without death, what do you suppose would happen if we had evolved an instinctual understanding of death? Where would that leave religion? I understand that it's a moot point, the world is full of death and most fear it. I just think it fascinating that without that primal fear no one would cling to a superstition to feel better about their mortality.
     
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    There are worse things than death.

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    My experience has been at some point in early adulthood, religious or not, it's not death that scares people. It's the process of dying that does. Those last hours and minutes when your body is shutting down, but your mind still has the natural will to survive and is struggling unsuccesfuly to get everything working again.
     
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    Human's seem to be hardwired to believe that existence doesn't end at death. Even Neanderthal's buried their dead to take a journey. It appears to be a byproduct of consciousness and language.

    So it doesn't appear to be a response to our own mortality that causes this but the deaths of others. I don't know what it would take to never encounter someone else's death, but it seems impossible.
     
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    I wonder what the responses would look like if someone took a poll and asked people if they would trade 5 years of life for an easy, pleasant death, otherwise they were sure to have a particularly heinous end.
     
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    The main response would be "How do you know when I'm going to die?" And that would be the most pertinent question.

    Hypotheticals based on the impossible are never instructive.
     
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    5 years is probably too long. I'd think people would trade somewhere between 6 months and 2 years. The sad part iis the medical science exists to offer people that choice based on their real needs, not just speculation. Unfortunately, Death with Dignity is only legal in a couple states.
     
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    Anyone who has watched a love one die a slow, agonizing death....artificially kept alive by medical technology (and at great monetary expense) understands the concept of "death with dignity". We treat our pets better.
     
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    Worse than death.

    Having no honor

    Having no purpose

    Having no connection to the Creator

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    People have understood death since the first days. Everything dies eventually. How could they not? Death is happening every single day and always has. What puzzles me is the folks that are sure nothing comes later but are still afraid of death. What the heck is there to be afraid of in that scenario?
     
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