[Skadoosh]

My girlfriends dad wants to carry his Para GI Expert in .45 ACP. I've tried to tell him that not carrying Condition 1 is pretty stupid..I haven't given him all these reasons why you shouldn't yet. But I'm about to. Here it is..

1. You may not have two hands to chamber the weapon
2. Your hands could be sweaty making it difficult to grip and rack
3. You may forget you arent condition 1!
4. You may not have time
5. Your weapon could fail while trying to go into battery (could be from sweaty hands and not properly racking the slide as well)
6. And my last, I heard from theyankeemarshal on YT. " It shows you have a lack of confidence in your weapon" Adding to that I think it shows a lack of training, experience and a fear of your weapon.

Anyone else got any good ideas why not carrying Condition 1 is just plain impractical?

 

[highfructosecornsyrp]

My girlfriends dad wants to carry his Para GI Expert in .45 ACP. I've tried to tell him that not carrying Condition 1 is pretty stupid..I haven't given him all these reasons why you shouldn't yet. But I'm about to. Here it is..

1. You may not have two hands to chamber the weapon
2. Your hands could be sweaty making it difficult to grip and rack
3. You may forget you arent condition 1!
4. You may not have time
5. Your weapon could fail while trying to go into battery (could be from sweaty hands and not properly racking the slide as well)
6. And my last, I heard from theyankeemarshal on YT. " It shows you have a lack of confidence in your weapon" Adding to that I think it shows a lack of training, experience and a fear of your weapon.

Anyone else got any good ideas why not carrying Condition 1 is just plain impractical?

To him the chances of shooting himself with his own gun accidentally outweigh the chances of not being able to rack his gun during an incident...

I doubt you'll convince him otherwise...

I carry without a holster...mexican style. I've had people call me an idiot and tell me this is the stupidest way to carry a weapon...I don't care, I carry how I like, live your life, leave others to live theirs.

 

[sr975j]

seems like you pretty much nailed it. they are very few people on this planet that are capable of drawing, racking the slide, and aiming as fast as others that simply have to draw and aim....its pretty simple. and correct me if im wrong, i doubt your girlfriends dad is one of those who can perform the speedy gun loading maneuver.

Sam

 

[jem375]

I have carried in all 3 conditions but mostly now in condition 1, in the military it was mandatory to be in condition 2 when I was in and I did carry it in that some of the time before going all the time to #1... with all the safeties on the 1911 it is no problem whatsoever ....

 

[Skadoosh]

I have carried in all 3 conditions but mostly now in condition 1, in the military it was mandatory to be in condition 2 when I was in and I did carry it in that some of the time before going all the time to #1... with all the safeties on the 1911 it is no problem whatsoever ....

Exactly. I carry a g19 condition 1. if you pay attention you wont shoot yourself. But i saw somewhere a guy shot himself in the leg with his glock because his old leather holster had folded in from wear around the trigger and it went off. Seriously 1 external safety on a glock versus 2 external safeties on a 1911? they are made to carry cocked and locked.

 

[Jake Starr]

seems like you pretty much nailed it. they are very few people on this planet that are capable of drawing, racking the slide, and aiming as fast as others that simply have to draw and aim....its pretty simple. and correct me if im wrong, i doubt your girlfriends dad is one of those who can perform the speedy gun loading maneuver.

Maybe, maybe not...perhaps .5 sec difference.

To him the chances of shooting himself with his own gun accidentally outweigh the chances of not being able to rack his gun during an incident...

True.

1. You may not have two hands to chamber the weapon

Two hands not necessary to chamber weapon.

4. You may not have time

By this I assume you mean the attacker is too close...if that is the case whether you carry C1 or C3 irrelevant. Either condition will get you into trouble should you go for your weapon. At this distance open hand defense is what is needed. IHMO.

I don't know why people make such a big deal over Carry conditions like their way is the only way. Use should train to be proficient in whatever method you choose to carry. C1 vs C3 means nothing as to your proficiency with firearms. I know many who carry either and are equally as proficient.

 

[Skadoosh]

Maybe, maybe not...perhaps .5 sec difference.


True.



Two hands not necessary to chamber weapon.


By this I assume you mean the attacker is too close...if that is the case whether you carry C1 or C3 irrelevant. Either condition will get you into trouble should you go for your weapon. At this distance open hand defense is what is needed. IHMO.

I don't know why people make such a big deal over Carry conditions like their way is the only way. Use should train to be proficient in whatever method you choose to carry. C1 vs C3 means nothing as to your proficiency with firearms. I know many who carry either and are equally as proficient.

Majority of self defense scenarios happen within 7 yards. Thats 21 feet. You can cover 21 feet in under 3 seconds. chances of you getting in a scuffle are very good. where you would want one hand to keep the attacker pushed back while you draw.

 

[fnfalman]

Whatever works for the guy.

 

[Goodspeed(TPF)]

Have him get some quality training with that pistol and I bet dollars to doughnuts he changes his mind.

 

[Skadoosh]

Have him get some quality training with that pistol and I bet dollars to doughnuts he changes his mind.

He can be a mizer of an old fart. no way i could convince him to go take some gunfighting classes.

 

[M2 Carbine]

I've tried to tell him that not carrying Condition 1 is pretty stupid..

Don't tell him, show him.

Shoot against each other for speed and ACCURACY.

If your method of carry beats his then he can see for himself that he may need to change his ways.

Or you may need to change yours.:supergrin:


But in any case don't try to talk him into doing something that makes him feel uncomfortable.

 

[FLIPPER 348]

..I don't care, I carry how I like, live your life, leave others to live theirs.

bingo


My ready 1911s are hammer down on a live round. Wide spur hammers on all. It's how I choose to do it and am not going to change.

 

[FLIPPER 348]

they are made to carry cocked and locked.

actually no .........but carry your 1911 in whatever condition you desire

 

[blacksheep40]

actually yes... carrying a 1911 with the hammer down with one in the chamber is retarded. if he doesn't carry condition tell him to get something else, and to leave 1911's to people who arent scared of it

 

[FLIPPER 348]

Actually yes, the 1911 was never designed to be carried in condition 1. It is one of the many conditions it can be carried in. You don't know much about the history of the design.

 

[blacksheep40]

i cant wait til you have a ND...

 

[Bren]

Anyone else got any good ideas why not carrying Condition 1 is just plain impractical?

Because if a para doesn't have the Series 80 style drop safety and you carry it with the hammer down, dropping the gun or striking the hammer hard can fire it. Never seen it happen, but that's the idea. I can't remember if my Para had a drop safety or not.

The flip side is that carrying with the safety on and hammer back works, as long as the safety doesn't get pushed off. For IWB carry, that is a real possibility.

 

[billyblooshoes]

show him this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syxrpLbaEuY&feature=channel_video_title

 

[Berto]

Maybe talk him into revolver instead, people like excuses to buy a new gun and he might be better off if he doesn't wish to learn his weapon.

 

[Brucev]

Don't carry a 1911. Carry only occasionally. Then... carry Glock in c-3. Works for me. Don't spend time obsessing over what if's. Others make their own choice.